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This is misleading at best. Every country that has the ability to enrich uranium is 99% of the way there towards developing nuclear weapons. Iran feels threat

This is misleading at best. Every country that has the ability to enrich uranium is 99% of the way there towards developing nuclear weapons. Iran feels threatened. Countries that have felt threatened (North Korea, India, Pakistan, Israel) have developed nuclear weapons. The sanctions are there as a deterrent to Iran having a Nuclear weapons program. Anyone who thinks it is possible for a country to have Nuclear power but not nuclear weapons is a fool.

golergka 6y ago
Developing a nuclear bomb isn't the same as developing an actually useful nuclear weapon: you still have to develop a rocket to deliver it somewhere else than your test site.
- lemonspat 6y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suitcase_nuclear_device https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suitcase_nuclear_device https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W48 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W48 and in today's news: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13657927/iran-warns-us-trigger-test-kamikaze-bomb-drones/ https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13657927/iran-warns-us-trigger...
- TedDoesntTalk 6y ago
  The bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki did not use rockets or missiles. I think a bomber aircraft would work just fine.
dvdhnt 6y ago
Honest question, if the sanctions are causing misery and the people basically have to choose between death and poverty, will it not just cause more resentment? Wouldn't the people eventually become so angry at the Western World that they support Nuclear proliferation for, at best, defense/power and, at worst, revenge?
emilsedgh 6y ago
I personally full supported Obama's sanctions on Iran. They had a purpose (Stop Iran's nuclear program) that made sense and was achievable. And they achieved it. All European countries and united nations and Obama administration confirmed that Iran was committed to the nuclear deal.Even current and former Israel generals wrote letters to show support for Obama's deal with Iran which stopped Iranian nuclear program. What the current administration wants is much much more than that [0]. They are basically telling the Islamic Republic to shoot itself in the head. Or face sanctions. Of course they pick sanctions. [0] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/5/21/mike-pompeo-speech-what-are-the-12-demands-given-to-iran https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/5/21/mike-pompeo-speech-...
- stretchcat 6y ago
  In 1963 JFK told Ben-Gurion that Israel developing nuclear weapons would lead to other countries in the region also pursuing nuclear weapons. Israel did it anyway, JFK's prediction obviously came true, and now America is saddled with Israel's problems; trying to stop Iran from doing what Israel did, because Israel did it. The sanctions are decades late and aimed at the wrong country. https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/kennedy-letter-to-ben-gurion-regarding-visit-to-dimona https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/kennedy-letter-to-ben-g...
  - joelbluminator 6y ago
    I think it was Einstein, Openheimer and others who told the U.S that there will be a nuclear arms race, way WAY before Israel acquired nukes. Let's keep up the blame game though.
jbay808 6y ago
Canada has nuclear power, but I'm pretty sure Canada doesn't have nuclear weapons.
- bgorman 6y ago
  Canada is a part of NATO, and NATO militaries have strategies for the sharing of nuclear weapons. In the past nuclear weapons were stored in Canada.
publicola1990 6y ago
Many countries have nuclear power plants without having weapons program, Turkey, South Africa, Japan, Many Eastern-Bloc countries.
- sangnoir 6y ago
  correction/clarification: Apartheid South Africa not only had a nuclear weapons program (in cooperation with Israel) - they had nuclear weapons. South Africa hastily dismantled its nuclear weapons program ahead of majority rule - becoming the only country to voluntarily give up nuclear weapons. Though it still stocks the weapons-grade nuclear material in storage.
stretchcat 6y ago
> Countries that have felt threatened ([...] Israel) have developed nuclear weapons. What evidence is there for this? At the time, Israel claimed that Egypt was trying to develop a nuclear bomb. However in his 1963 letter to Ben-Gurion, JFK says that American intelligence agencies had found no evidence of this and believed Egypt did not have facilities capable of it (unlike Israel.) To ny knowledge, in the decades since then, evidence of the alleged Egyptian bomb program has never surfaced. > "I can well appreciate your concern for developments in the UAR. But I see no present or imminent nuclear threat to Israel from there. I am assured that our intelligence on this question is good and that the Egyptians do not presently have any installation comparable to Dimona, nor any facilities potentially capable of nuclear weapons production. But, of course, if you have information that would support a contrary conclusion, I should like to receive it from you through Ambassador Barbour. We have the capacity to check it." -JFK, 1963 https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/kennedy-letter-to-ben-gurion-regarding-visit-to-dimona https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/kennedy-letter-to-ben-g...
- jariel 6y ago
  ? Israel was invaded and nearly overrun several times, by many of it's neighbours, with a combined population 30x it's own. It's neighbours continued to make public proclamations that they wanted to 'wipe it out'. If that is not 'threatening' then what is? Iran, in contrast, faces no real existential threat. Not Russia, Turkey. Saudis couldn't really if they wanted to. Iraq is weak and they control most of it.
  - stretchcat 6y ago
    Israel was the first country in the middle east to acquire nuclear weapons. The UAR did not have nuclear weapons and wasn't developing them (despite Israel's unsubstantiated claims to the contrary), nor did Israel need nuclear weapons to defend itself (Ben-Gurion admitted that in 1963 to JFK.) And even if they weren't capable of defending themselves with conventional arms, the JFK administration offered to ensure the protection of Israel in exchange for inspections of Dimona to stop Israel's bomb program. Israel turned this offer down, and refused inspections of Dimona. Israel did not need an atomic bomb. In developing nuclear weapons (in cooperation with the white supremacist state of South Africa, it should be noted) Israel ensured that other middle east countries would eventually seek them. They deliberately threw water onto an oil fire. 'David Ben-Gurion: Message to US President Kennedy Regarding UAR Threats' (https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/ben-gurion-message-to-us-president-kennedy-regarding-uar-threats-april-1963-2 https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/ben-gurion-message-to-u...) > 2. Israel is not helpless: in a test of strength it can defeat all three but it is not eager for such a victory. > 3. Israel finds it difficult to believe that the United States and the civilized world would acquiesce in such an attempt at "liberation". In other words, Ben-Gurion admitted Israel could protect itself alone if needed, but doubted it would even need to.
jariel 6y ago
Iran is not threatened, there is nobody that could invade them except the United States, and that would be unthinkable. Iran wants nuclear weapons to swing a heavier stick and threaten it's neighbours.

golergka 6y ago

Developing a nuclear bomb isn't the same as developing an actually useful nuclear weapon: you still have to develop a rocket to deliver it somewhere else than your test site.

lemonspat 6y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suitcase_nuclear_device https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suitcase_nuclear_device https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W48 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W48 and in today's news: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13657927/iran-warns-us-trigger-test-kamikaze-bomb-drones/ https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13657927/iran-warns-us-trigger...
TedDoesntTalk 6y ago
The bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki did not use rockets or missiles. I think a bomber aircraft would work just fine.

dvdhnt 6y ago

Honest question, if the sanctions are causing misery and the people basically have to choose between death and poverty, will it not just cause more resentment? Wouldn't the people eventually become so angry at the Western World that they support Nuclear proliferation for, at best, defense/power and, at worst, revenge?

emilsedgh 6y ago

I personally full supported Obama's sanctions on Iran. They had a purpose (Stop Iran's nuclear program) that made sense and was achievable. And they achieved it. All European countries and united nations and Obama administration confirmed that Iran was committed to the nuclear deal.Even current and former Israel generals wrote letters to show support for Obama's deal with Iran which stopped Iranian nuclear program. What the current administration wants is much much more than that [0]. They are basically telling the Islamic Republic to shoot itself in the head. Or face sanctions. Of course they pick sanctions. [0] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/5/21/mike-pompeo-speech-what-are-the-12-demands-given-to-iran https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/5/21/mike-pompeo-speech-...

stretchcat 6y ago
In 1963 JFK told Ben-Gurion that Israel developing nuclear weapons would lead to other countries in the region also pursuing nuclear weapons. Israel did it anyway, JFK's prediction obviously came true, and now America is saddled with Israel's problems; trying to stop Iran from doing what Israel did, because Israel did it. The sanctions are decades late and aimed at the wrong country. https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/kennedy-letter-to-ben-gurion-regarding-visit-to-dimona https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/kennedy-letter-to-ben-g...
- joelbluminator 6y ago
  I think it was Einstein, Openheimer and others who told the U.S that there will be a nuclear arms race, way WAY before Israel acquired nukes. Let's keep up the blame game though.

jbay808 6y ago

Canada has nuclear power, but I'm pretty sure Canada doesn't have nuclear weapons.

bgorman 6y ago
Canada is a part of NATO, and NATO militaries have strategies for the sharing of nuclear weapons. In the past nuclear weapons were stored in Canada.

publicola1990 6y ago

Many countries have nuclear power plants without having weapons program, Turkey, South Africa, Japan, Many Eastern-Bloc countries.

sangnoir 6y ago
correction/clarification: Apartheid South Africa not only had a nuclear weapons program (in cooperation with Israel) - they had nuclear weapons. South Africa hastily dismantled its nuclear weapons program ahead of majority rule - becoming the only country to voluntarily give up nuclear weapons. Though it still stocks the weapons-grade nuclear material in storage.

stretchcat 6y ago

> Countries that have felt threatened ([...] Israel) have developed nuclear weapons. What evidence is there for this? At the time, Israel claimed that Egypt was trying to develop a nuclear bomb. However in his 1963 letter to Ben-Gurion, JFK says that American intelligence agencies had found no evidence of this and believed Egypt did not have facilities capable of it (unlike Israel.) To ny knowledge, in the decades since then, evidence of the alleged Egyptian bomb program has never surfaced. > "I can well appreciate your concern for developments in the UAR. But I see no present or imminent nuclear threat to Israel from there. I am assured that our intelligence on this question is good and that the Egyptians do not presently have any installation comparable to Dimona, nor any facilities potentially capable of nuclear weapons production. But, of course, if you have information that would support a contrary conclusion, I should like to receive it from you through Ambassador Barbour. We have the capacity to check it." -JFK, 1963 https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/kennedy-letter-to-ben-gurion-regarding-visit-to-dimona https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/kennedy-letter-to-ben-g...

jariel 6y ago
? Israel was invaded and nearly overrun several times, by many of it's neighbours, with a combined population 30x it's own. It's neighbours continued to make public proclamations that they wanted to 'wipe it out'. If that is not 'threatening' then what is? Iran, in contrast, faces no real existential threat. Not Russia, Turkey. Saudis couldn't really if they wanted to. Iraq is weak and they control most of it.
- stretchcat 6y ago
  Israel was the first country in the middle east to acquire nuclear weapons. The UAR did not have nuclear weapons and wasn't developing them (despite Israel's unsubstantiated claims to the contrary), nor did Israel need nuclear weapons to defend itself (Ben-Gurion admitted that in 1963 to JFK.) And even if they weren't capable of defending themselves with conventional arms, the JFK administration offered to ensure the protection of Israel in exchange for inspections of Dimona to stop Israel's bomb program. Israel turned this offer down, and refused inspections of Dimona. Israel did not need an atomic bomb. In developing nuclear weapons (in cooperation with the white supremacist state of South Africa, it should be noted) Israel ensured that other middle east countries would eventually seek them. They deliberately threw water onto an oil fire. 'David Ben-Gurion: Message to US President Kennedy Regarding UAR Threats' (https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/ben-gurion-message-to-us-president-kennedy-regarding-uar-threats-april-1963-2 https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/ben-gurion-message-to-u...) > 2. Israel is not helpless: in a test of strength it can defeat all three but it is not eager for such a victory. > 3. Israel finds it difficult to believe that the United States and the civilized world would acquiesce in such an attempt at "liberation". In other words, Ben-Gurion admitted Israel could protect itself alone if needed, but doubted it would even need to.

jariel 6y ago

Iran is not threatened, there is nobody that could invade them except the United States, and that would be unthinkable. Iran wants nuclear weapons to swing a heavier stick and threaten it's neighbours.