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I've gotten to the point where whenever I setup a Windows machine, I tell it I have no internet connection, because that seems to be the only way to get it shut

I've gotten to the point where whenever I setup a Windows machine, I tell it I have no internet connection, because that seems to be the only way to get it shut up about using a Microsoft Account to log in, configuring OneDrive, etc. Then once everything is setup I'll connect it to my home network. I recall years ago when I did my Windows 10 box they didn't push the Microsoft Account on you so hard during setup, but when doing newer laptops for family members that's clearly changed. I've basically demoted my Windows 10 box to headless status. If I want to do anything I either use Remote Desktop or Steam Streaming to access it. Interestingly OS X also has plenty of Cloud services, but Apple seems to have at least figured out how to sell them in a less intrusive manner while letting you feel like you're still in control of the machine. Just little things like you setup a local account and then Apple sells you on "Hey want to link your iCloud so you can remote wipe this machine if it is stolen?" vs forcing you to lie about internet connectivity so Windows 10 gives you the local account option.

trident5000 6y ago
That's clever. Now a Microsoft employee will read this and fix that little inconvenient bug ;) Agree with Apple except that we learned it constantly streams your activity to their servers now (things like when you open an app). Back to Microsoft - the smack in the face for me is that OneDrive/their servers is listed as the top choice when saving files in Office. You cannot remove it/demote it in any way even when disabling OneDrive as a connected service. Its more obnoxious/a direction I dont like that they are headed towards than a crippling thing I cant work around.
- Shared404 6y ago
  > Now a Microsoft employee will read this and fix that little inconvenient bug ;) I like to think that Microsoft employees mostly realize how stupid stuff like this is, and intentionally leave loopholes like that until forced to "fix" it.
- michaelhoffman 6y ago
  This is clearly a designed path.
gcblkjaidfj 6y ago
OS X doesn't have to sell it hard because they already did, and succeed, when they onboarded you on IOS.
ro_bit 6y ago
Another workaround for this if you forget and accidentally connect to the internet during setup is to write incorrect login credentials at the MS account login step. If you do it a few (less than 3?) times the option comes up to make a local account instead.

trident5000 6y ago

That's clever. Now a Microsoft employee will read this and fix that little inconvenient bug ;) Agree with Apple except that we learned it constantly streams your activity to their servers now (things like when you open an app). Back to Microsoft - the smack in the face for me is that OneDrive/their servers is listed as the top choice when saving files in Office. You cannot remove it/demote it in any way even when disabling OneDrive as a connected service. Its more obnoxious/a direction I dont like that they are headed towards than a crippling thing I cant work around.

Shared404 6y ago
> Now a Microsoft employee will read this and fix that little inconvenient bug ;) I like to think that Microsoft employees mostly realize how stupid stuff like this is, and intentionally leave loopholes like that until forced to "fix" it.
michaelhoffman 6y ago
This is clearly a designed path.

gcblkjaidfj 6y ago

OS X doesn't have to sell it hard because they already did, and succeed, when they onboarded you on IOS.

ro_bit 6y ago

Another workaround for this if you forget and accidentally connect to the internet during setup is to write incorrect login credentials at the MS account login step. If you do it a few (less than 3?) times the option comes up to make a local account instead.