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> no OTA software updates Feature. It's a car and software should be finished when it leaves the factory. Any other excuse is nonsense. > no lane keeping (“au

> no OTA software updates Feature. It's a car and software should be finished when it leaves the factory. Any other excuse is nonsense. > no lane keeping (“autopilot”) on older versions. That's your job and its called driving. If you cant handle that simple task then you should not be driving.

gambiting 6y ago
>>That's your job and its called driving. If you cant handle that simple task then you should not be driving. Ah, the "just suck it up and man up" argument. Lovely. I hope you drive a manual car with no power steering no power brakes and no abs. Heaven forbid the car helped you with the sacred art of driving, right?
- mhh__ 6y ago
  ABS and power steering are a totally different kettle-of-fish to the car actually steering itself.
  - gambiting 6y ago
    "if you can't turn the wheel by yourself you have no business in driving" /s It's just lane keeping. It helps immensely with focus on long trips.
    - MisterTea 6y ago
      I've driven from NYC to FL and back a few times (Once in a Uhaul truck) in addition to NYC <-> Chicago. Never did I have trouble keeping lanes. If I did, it meant that I was tired or fatigued. As a responsible driver that means I pull off the road at a rest stop and rest. If you have trouble keeping lanes and are not fatigued then I suggest you put your fucking phone down or see a doctor. This new trend of passing responsibility to technology has got to stop. It's fueld by greed, built on human laziness and fostered by stupidity. People need to grow up and accept responsibility.
      - gambiting 6y ago
        The point is that you're not as fatigued with it. I've driven many many times between Amsterdam - Krakow(12 hour drive) and the last few times I've done it in a car that has active lane keeping. On those times I've arrived probably 50% as fatigued as in a car without it, without sacrificing any safety of the journey. >>As a responsible driver that means I pull off the road at a rest stop and rest. No one is saying otherwise. This technology doesn't allow you to drive further while tired. It stops you from becoming tired in the first place. >>People need to grow up and accept responsibility. And people need to grow up and see that some inventions are not as bad as they think they are ;-) >>suggest you put your fucking phone down or see a doctor I've flagged your comment because it isn't how conversations on HN should go like.
  - CydeWeys 6y ago
    People have always resisted change in the automotive market, whether it be with ABS, power steering, starter motors, electronic stability control, seat belts, air bags, traction control, cruise control, automatic shifting, etc. You aren't making a unique argument about lane keeping that wasn't made about all these other improved technologies in decades past. In the near future people might not even be driving their cars at all. What excuse are you gonna have then as for why people actually shouldn't demand that manufacturers provide that feature?

gambiting 6y ago

>>That's your job and its called driving. If you cant handle that simple task then you should not be driving. Ah, the "just suck it up and man up" argument. Lovely. I hope you drive a manual car with no power steering no power brakes and no abs. Heaven forbid the car helped you with the sacred art of driving, right?

mhh__ 6y ago
ABS and power steering are a totally different kettle-of-fish to the car actually steering itself.
- gambiting 6y ago
  "if you can't turn the wheel by yourself you have no business in driving" /s It's just lane keeping. It helps immensely with focus on long trips.
  - MisterTea 6y ago
    I've driven from NYC to FL and back a few times (Once in a Uhaul truck) in addition to NYC <-> Chicago. Never did I have trouble keeping lanes. If I did, it meant that I was tired or fatigued. As a responsible driver that means I pull off the road at a rest stop and rest. If you have trouble keeping lanes and are not fatigued then I suggest you put your fucking phone down or see a doctor. This new trend of passing responsibility to technology has got to stop. It's fueld by greed, built on human laziness and fostered by stupidity. People need to grow up and accept responsibility.
    - gambiting 6y ago
      The point is that you're not as fatigued with it. I've driven many many times between Amsterdam - Krakow(12 hour drive) and the last few times I've done it in a car that has active lane keeping. On those times I've arrived probably 50% as fatigued as in a car without it, without sacrificing any safety of the journey. >>As a responsible driver that means I pull off the road at a rest stop and rest. No one is saying otherwise. This technology doesn't allow you to drive further while tired. It stops you from becoming tired in the first place. >>People need to grow up and accept responsibility. And people need to grow up and see that some inventions are not as bad as they think they are ;-) >>suggest you put your fucking phone down or see a doctor I've flagged your comment because it isn't how conversations on HN should go like.
- CydeWeys 6y ago
  People have always resisted change in the automotive market, whether it be with ABS, power steering, starter motors, electronic stability control, seat belts, air bags, traction control, cruise control, automatic shifting, etc. You aren't making a unique argument about lane keeping that wasn't made about all these other improved technologies in decades past. In the near future people might not even be driving their cars at all. What excuse are you gonna have then as for why people actually shouldn't demand that manufacturers provide that feature?