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The problem isnt Brexit, it's how the EU handles it. There's literally no reason to suspend those domains, just block them from extending it and creating new on

The problem isnt Brexit, it's how the EU handles it. There's literally no reason to suspend those domains, just block them from extending it and creating new ones. Everyone happy. but.. nope... Let's just force shutdown these websites, just so we can tell other countries, see, this is what happens when u leave the EU. The EU is so pathetic.

CydeWeys 6y ago
Blocking renewals has the same ultimate result, just with added steps and a less clean process (because right now everyone whose domain has been suspended is FORCED to resolve it within the next 3 months, which is preferable to domains just randomly vanishing over the upcoming years as they expire).
alasdair_ 6y ago
The problem IS Brexit. Without Brexit, none of this whole sorry mess occurs.
- dingaling 6y ago
  Or you could say that the act of tying eligibility for registering a domain to citizenship was the problem. Isn't the Internet meant to be supernational? Do bits have to stop for visa checks at borders?
  - cromka 6y ago
    The ccTLDs are maintained by the respective entities that own them. This has nothing to do with Internet being supranational, the DNS simply does not reflect that. In fact, it had been controlled via ICANN by the US for the longest time: https://newrepublic.com/article/117037/us-gives-iana-and-dns-control-icann https://newrepublic.com/article/117037/us-gives-iana-and-dns...
- thu2111 6y ago
  A big part of the justification for Brexit is because the EU is a crap bureaucracy that does arbitrary, self-harming and utterly unnecessary stuff like this all the time. It's totally in character for them to do this, which simply indicates why Brexit is a good idea.
  - bkor 6y ago
    > A big part of the justification for Brexit is because the EU is a crap bureaucracy that does arbitrary, self-harming and utterly unnecessary stuff like this all the time. I haven't seen anything of the sort as a reason for brexit. I have seen loads of broken promises that were made around the referendum. Plus the longstanding tradion (for loads of EU countries) to blame everything on the EU. Combined with UK media making stuff up about the EU (bendy bananas). There's been so much misinformation (lies) that the EU has a 10+ page list of incorrect UK "news"articles. I've also seen a lot of misinformation regarding foreigners, whereby any foreigner is put into the "asylum seeker" group. There's even some cartoons about that; that they a) take all the jobs b) never pay taxes (despite taking all the jobs) c) do not work
    - razakel 6y ago
      >Combined with UK media making stuff up about the EU (bendy bananas). Not just the media but the Prime Minister himself. He even gave a speech where he admitted to making up a story about the EU wanting to ban prawn cocktail crisps. Of course, he did also get fired from his job as a journalist for blatantly lying.
    - thu2111 6y ago
      But where have you looked? To pick just one example, Brexit the Movie talked about the low quality of EU bureaucracy quite a bit. The EU's old list of "myths" is a bit of a joke BTW. A lot of the so-called myth debunkings started with an admission that the claim is indeed true, but here's why it's actually OK. It's more a list of responses than myths. For instance the "myth" that they were funding trapeze artists in Africa was explained with words to the effect of, yes we do this, but it's totally cool so what's the problem? I've noticed hardly anyone who quotes the existence of that site seems to have actually read any of it. I think they took it down at some point - it was as embarrassing to the EU as the British press, really. Kind of a hall of shame of stupid stuff the press had picked up on over the years combined with a very weak set of justifications, often of the form of "we decided to do this so that makes it right". Bendy bananas is a good example of that by the way. You claim the press made it up. You're lying, perhaps without realising it. Commission regulation 2257/94 specifies different classes for fruit based on, amongst other things, straightness. Read about it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_Regulation_(EC)_No._2257/94 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_Regulation_(EC)_No.... This is supposedly to make trade easier. Perhaps it does, although why the EU needs to define this vs just supermarkets and other bulk purchasers who care about banana straightness is very unclear. The debate about bendy bananas was never about whether the rules existed at all, but rather whether they represented a reasonable deployment of trans-national bureaucracy. Your post is symptomatic of a more general problem: people who are very pro EU tend to believe they are better informed than they actually are, and tend to believe people who disagree with them about the value of the EU are just brainwashed idiots who don't know the facts. But when this has been tested rigorously e.g. in polls or studies, it's always been that anti-EU people have a (slightly) better grip on the facts.

CydeWeys 6y ago

Blocking renewals has the same ultimate result, just with added steps and a less clean process (because right now everyone whose domain has been suspended is FORCED to resolve it within the next 3 months, which is preferable to domains just randomly vanishing over the upcoming years as they expire).

alasdair_ 6y ago

The problem IS Brexit. Without Brexit, none of this whole sorry mess occurs.

dingaling 6y ago
Or you could say that the act of tying eligibility for registering a domain to citizenship was the problem. Isn't the Internet meant to be supernational? Do bits have to stop for visa checks at borders?
- cromka 6y ago
  The ccTLDs are maintained by the respective entities that own them. This has nothing to do with Internet being supranational, the DNS simply does not reflect that. In fact, it had been controlled via ICANN by the US for the longest time: https://newrepublic.com/article/117037/us-gives-iana-and-dns-control-icann https://newrepublic.com/article/117037/us-gives-iana-and-dns...
thu2111 6y ago
A big part of the justification for Brexit is because the EU is a crap bureaucracy that does arbitrary, self-harming and utterly unnecessary stuff like this all the time. It's totally in character for them to do this, which simply indicates why Brexit is a good idea.
- bkor 6y ago
  > A big part of the justification for Brexit is because the EU is a crap bureaucracy that does arbitrary, self-harming and utterly unnecessary stuff like this all the time. I haven't seen anything of the sort as a reason for brexit. I have seen loads of broken promises that were made around the referendum. Plus the longstanding tradion (for loads of EU countries) to blame everything on the EU. Combined with UK media making stuff up about the EU (bendy bananas). There's been so much misinformation (lies) that the EU has a 10+ page list of incorrect UK "news"articles. I've also seen a lot of misinformation regarding foreigners, whereby any foreigner is put into the "asylum seeker" group. There's even some cartoons about that; that they a) take all the jobs b) never pay taxes (despite taking all the jobs) c) do not work
  - razakel 6y ago
    >Combined with UK media making stuff up about the EU (bendy bananas). Not just the media but the Prime Minister himself. He even gave a speech where he admitted to making up a story about the EU wanting to ban prawn cocktail crisps. Of course, he did also get fired from his job as a journalist for blatantly lying.
  - thu2111 6y ago
    But where have you looked? To pick just one example, Brexit the Movie talked about the low quality of EU bureaucracy quite a bit. The EU's old list of "myths" is a bit of a joke BTW. A lot of the so-called myth debunkings started with an admission that the claim is indeed true, but here's why it's actually OK. It's more a list of responses than myths. For instance the "myth" that they were funding trapeze artists in Africa was explained with words to the effect of, yes we do this, but it's totally cool so what's the problem? I've noticed hardly anyone who quotes the existence of that site seems to have actually read any of it. I think they took it down at some point - it was as embarrassing to the EU as the British press, really. Kind of a hall of shame of stupid stuff the press had picked up on over the years combined with a very weak set of justifications, often of the form of "we decided to do this so that makes it right". Bendy bananas is a good example of that by the way. You claim the press made it up. You're lying, perhaps without realising it. Commission regulation 2257/94 specifies different classes for fruit based on, amongst other things, straightness. Read about it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_Regulation_(EC)_No._2257/94 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_Regulation_(EC)_No.... This is supposedly to make trade easier. Perhaps it does, although why the EU needs to define this vs just supermarkets and other bulk purchasers who care about banana straightness is very unclear. The debate about bendy bananas was never about whether the rules existed at all, but rather whether they represented a reasonable deployment of trans-national bureaucracy. Your post is symptomatic of a more general problem: people who are very pro EU tend to believe they are better informed than they actually are, and tend to believe people who disagree with them about the value of the EU are just brainwashed idiots who don't know the facts. But when this has been tested rigorously e.g. in polls or studies, it's always been that anti-EU people have a (slightly) better grip on the facts.