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also, those owners could still be second passport holders and therefore EU citizens (regardless of their residence). So it's somewhat premature to simply assume

also, those owners could still be second passport holders and therefore EU citizens (regardless of their residence). So it's somewhat premature to simply assume that because they currently reside in the UK they're not eligible anymore, or am I missing something here?

dustinmoris 6y ago
No you are not missing anything. I am an EU citizen residing in the UK, but I was and still am Austrian by nationality and only hold an Austrian citizenship. Luckily I never fancied a .eu domain, but if the EU would have prematurely revoked my domain then I'd be very unhappy. I find the EU mostly very incompetent. Great ideas, but terrible execution on literally every matter. EDIT: I'm being downvoted because I have an honest opinion which isn't nationalistic. That's quite funny. I don't see myself as any particular nationality. I don't see myself as having a strong allegiance towards the EU, Austria, the UK or Poland (my cultural heritage). If the EU sucks at something (and unfortunately they do that a lot) then I'm not afraid to point it out. Patting people on the back and pretending that they are awesome when they actually suck isn't going to help anyone. Sometimes it's best to be brutally honest, especially if it's people who are unelected and the only way to show discontent is through voice and not ballot.
- cromka 6y ago
  > No you are not missing anything A bold statement. And then you proceed to speculate with: > "Luckily I never fancied a .eu domain, but if the EU would have prematurely revoked my domain then I'd be very unhappy." So you don't know if they are missing anything or not. You didn't prove it, but you sure have an opinion about it and the EU, which doesn't add to discussion. Which is why you're being downvoted.
  - dustinmoris 6y ago
    They cancelled .eu domains for all registrants who reside in the UK, irrespective of their citizenship. That is not a speculation. They ask for those people to prove their citizenship before the end of March. Why doesn't the EU first ask for the citizenship proof before harming its own citizen? It's kind of dumb to think that the EU happily harms its own citizen and don't even realise it because they think the only harm UK folks.
    - cromka 6y ago
      > Why doesn't the EU first ask for the citizenship proof before harming its own citizen? Did you check that they didn't? Do you know that? Because they did ask: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25648952 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25648952 You drop accusations left and right despite being few clicks away from actually checking these notifications: https://eurid.eu/en/home/ https://eurid.eu/en/home/ From the first notice posted on Oct 1st 2020: https://eurid.eu/en/news/first-brexit-notice/ https://eurid.eu/en/news/first-brexit-notice/ "Registration data may be updated by indicating a legally established entity in one of the eligible Union Member States, or by updating their residence to a Union Member State, or proving their citizenship of a Union Member State irrespective of their residence." So, again, you just come off salty, ignorant and prejudiced towards EU without merit, and there isn't room on Hackernews for such attitude. So yeah, you do deserve to get downvoted into oblivion.
      - cromka 6y ago
        And, as expected, dustinmoris never bothered to apologize for outright lying. I swear people like him/her are making HN becoming another Reddit.
        tailspin2019 6y ago
        However right you may be on this, just a bit of feedback; accusing someone of being ignorant, prejudiced and lying could also come off as “salty”. Misinformed maybe, but they admitted they were wrong. Also: > Please don't post comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - dustinmoris 6y ago
        Yes I went to the eurid website and they had a facility to declare citizenship beforehand so you’re right, I simply assumed massive EU incompetence based on precedence, but in this case it wasn’t their fault.
    - M2Ys4U 6y ago
- berdario 6y ago
  I didn't downvote you, but if you want to avoid downvotes, you should probably substantiate your opinion. > Great ideas, but terrible execution on literally every matter. Off the top of my head, I can think of 3 things worked on by the EU that I think are well implemented: - Erasmus programme - Roaming regulations - EU-China investment treaty I also really like the GDPR, but I understand that its enforcement hasn't been though enough... Why do you think that the EU's execution is terrible on literally everything?
  - sam_lowry_ 6y ago
    Like GDPR? Try reading it.
- raverbashing 6y ago
  The rules of .eu domain ownership were known in advance, and there was many years of advance notice and one year of transition rules. If domain owners didn't take action on that long transition period I'd say the incompetence lies with them. As per the article: > and owners now have three months to prove their right to run a .eu domain. This means updating contact data to transfer the .eu domain to an EU-subsidiary outside the UK; or declaring citizenship or residence of an EU member state. So they still have a grace period in addition to the previous transition year, in addition to the time after triggering Art. 50
- kerng 6y ago
  This is pure speculation. Let me counter with the equivivalent counter argument: More likely that domain holders were given time (about 12 months) to validate their eligibility.
cure 6y ago
I very much doubt that Eurid "simply assumed" that because a registrant resides in the UK, they are not an EU citizen. These registrants probably had to validate whether or not they are EU citizens, and didn't respond to the question, or responded negatively.
- gameofcode 6y ago
  Yep, I had one .eu domain. Got a few e-mails, happily ignored them all and let them cancel it.
zenexer 6y ago
That’s not typically how it works. Normally, if you fail to prove eligibility, there’s a grace period during which your registrar waits for proof that’s considered acceptable by the registry. I’m not saying that’s what happened here, but that’s what usually happens. You may not be able to use the domain during all or part of that grace period, but you don’t actually lose ownership of the domain until that grace period lapses.

dustinmoris 6y ago

No you are not missing anything. I am an EU citizen residing in the UK, but I was and still am Austrian by nationality and only hold an Austrian citizenship. Luckily I never fancied a .eu domain, but if the EU would have prematurely revoked my domain then I'd be very unhappy. I find the EU mostly very incompetent. Great ideas, but terrible execution on literally every matter. EDIT: I'm being downvoted because I have an honest opinion which isn't nationalistic. That's quite funny. I don't see myself as any particular nationality. I don't see myself as having a strong allegiance towards the EU, Austria, the UK or Poland (my cultural heritage). If the EU sucks at something (and unfortunately they do that a lot) then I'm not afraid to point it out. Patting people on the back and pretending that they are awesome when they actually suck isn't going to help anyone. Sometimes it's best to be brutally honest, especially if it's people who are unelected and the only way to show discontent is through voice and not ballot.

cromka 6y ago
> No you are not missing anything A bold statement. And then you proceed to speculate with: > "Luckily I never fancied a .eu domain, but if the EU would have prematurely revoked my domain then I'd be very unhappy." So you don't know if they are missing anything or not. You didn't prove it, but you sure have an opinion about it and the EU, which doesn't add to discussion. Which is why you're being downvoted.
- dustinmoris 6y ago
  They cancelled .eu domains for all registrants who reside in the UK, irrespective of their citizenship. That is not a speculation. They ask for those people to prove their citizenship before the end of March. Why doesn't the EU first ask for the citizenship proof before harming its own citizen? It's kind of dumb to think that the EU happily harms its own citizen and don't even realise it because they think the only harm UK folks.
  - cromka 6y ago
    > Why doesn't the EU first ask for the citizenship proof before harming its own citizen? Did you check that they didn't? Do you know that? Because they did ask: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25648952 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25648952 You drop accusations left and right despite being few clicks away from actually checking these notifications: https://eurid.eu/en/home/ https://eurid.eu/en/home/ From the first notice posted on Oct 1st 2020: https://eurid.eu/en/news/first-brexit-notice/ https://eurid.eu/en/news/first-brexit-notice/ "Registration data may be updated by indicating a legally established entity in one of the eligible Union Member States, or by updating their residence to a Union Member State, or proving their citizenship of a Union Member State irrespective of their residence." So, again, you just come off salty, ignorant and prejudiced towards EU without merit, and there isn't room on Hackernews for such attitude. So yeah, you do deserve to get downvoted into oblivion.
    - cromka 6y ago
      And, as expected, dustinmoris never bothered to apologize for outright lying. I swear people like him/her are making HN becoming another Reddit.
      - tailspin2019 6y ago
        However right you may be on this, just a bit of feedback; accusing someone of being ignorant, prejudiced and lying could also come off as “salty”. Misinformed maybe, but they admitted they were wrong. Also: > Please don't post comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - dustinmoris 6y ago
      Yes I went to the eurid website and they had a facility to declare citizenship beforehand so you’re right, I simply assumed massive EU incompetence based on precedence, but in this case it wasn’t their fault.
  - M2Ys4U 6y ago
berdario 6y ago
I didn't downvote you, but if you want to avoid downvotes, you should probably substantiate your opinion. > Great ideas, but terrible execution on literally every matter. Off the top of my head, I can think of 3 things worked on by the EU that I think are well implemented: - Erasmus programme - Roaming regulations - EU-China investment treaty I also really like the GDPR, but I understand that its enforcement hasn't been though enough... Why do you think that the EU's execution is terrible on literally everything?
- sam_lowry_ 6y ago
  Like GDPR? Try reading it.
raverbashing 6y ago
The rules of .eu domain ownership were known in advance, and there was many years of advance notice and one year of transition rules. If domain owners didn't take action on that long transition period I'd say the incompetence lies with them. As per the article: > and owners now have three months to prove their right to run a .eu domain. This means updating contact data to transfer the .eu domain to an EU-subsidiary outside the UK; or declaring citizenship or residence of an EU member state. So they still have a grace period in addition to the previous transition year, in addition to the time after triggering Art. 50
kerng 6y ago
This is pure speculation. Let me counter with the equivivalent counter argument: More likely that domain holders were given time (about 12 months) to validate their eligibility.

cure 6y ago

I very much doubt that Eurid "simply assumed" that because a registrant resides in the UK, they are not an EU citizen. These registrants probably had to validate whether or not they are EU citizens, and didn't respond to the question, or responded negatively.

gameofcode 6y ago
Yep, I had one .eu domain. Got a few e-mails, happily ignored them all and let them cancel it.

zenexer 6y ago

That’s not typically how it works. Normally, if you fail to prove eligibility, there’s a grace period during which your registrar waits for proof that’s considered acceptable by the registry. I’m not saying that’s what happened here, but that’s what usually happens. You may not be able to use the domain during all or part of that grace period, but you don’t actually lose ownership of the domain until that grace period lapses.