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> I hate that it's permanent DST, though. Why make noon at one hour past the sun at its highest point? So annoying. I have a friend that is also annoyed by thi

> I hate that it's permanent DST, though. Why make noon at one hour past the sun at its highest point? So annoying. I have a friend that is also annoyed by this prospect, but I never could understand why. I mean I can see why people have opinions based on morning/evening light, but is "high noon should be noon" really that big a deal? I mean even if the center of every timezone had high noon set at noon, you'd still end up having the edges of the same timezone having their high noon closer to 11:30 and 12:30. The fact is that local times have had their high noon disassociated from 12:00 for quite a while. Other than the principle of the thing, I just don't see why having around 1:00 really is such a bother. edit: I really can't understand why you're being downvoted. Your frustration shouldn't be ignored.

globular-toast 6y ago
Your argument is that it doesn't matter. So in that case why not pick the one that actually makes sense according to the motion of the solar system? If I have to make a choice between two equally logical solutions, I always pick the most beautiful or most symmetrical. Why not?
- CogitoCogito 6y ago
  > Your argument is that it doesn't matter. Never did I argue that it does not matter. In fact I didn't even take a position on the matter. I specifically asked _you_ about _your_ beliefs. > So in that case why not pick the one that actually makes sense according to the motion of the solar system? If I have to make a choice between two equally logical solutions, I always pick the most beautiful or most symmetrical. Why not? Why not? As I pointed out, there are other considerations at play like morning/evening light. You apparently believe that the balance of beauty and symmetry with the solar system is the most important consideration. I don't personally consider that very important.
  - globular-toast 6y ago
    Changing the clock does not alter the amount of daylight. I'm sure you don't need to go and adjust your clock now to convince yourself of this. So what considerations are there? It simply does not matter. The only single reason I can think to choose one clock over another is that one synchronises with the solar system and one does not. I don't consider it more important than anything else because there is nothing else to consider.
    - CogitoCogito 6y ago
      > Changing the clock does not alter the amount of daylight. I'm sure you don't need to go and adjust your clock now to convince yourself of this. I never stated otherwise. > The only single reason I can think to choose one clock over another is that one synchronises with the solar system and one does not. Why are you being deliberately obtuse? Having extra daylight in the morning (i.e. pre-12:00) and the afternoon (i.e. post 12:00) are reasons. The amount of light before and after school/work/etc. has real effects. > ...there is nothing else to consider. This is factually untrue. You may not consider other reasons as important as your own, but stop pretending they don't exist. By the way, you are an extremely irritating person to discuss with. I started this conversation specifically to hear your side and you are taking the opportunity to ignore and belittles ideas other than your own. It's pretty childish honestly.
      - globular-toast 6y ago
        > By the way, you are an extremely irritating person to discuss with. I started this conversation specifically to hear your side and you are taking the opportunity to ignore and belittles ideas other than your own. It's pretty childish honestly. I feel exactly the same way about you. This issue is fascinating as it seems people just can't talk about it rationally. I will stop now.

globular-toast 6y ago

Your argument is that it doesn't matter. So in that case why not pick the one that actually makes sense according to the motion of the solar system? If I have to make a choice between two equally logical solutions, I always pick the most beautiful or most symmetrical. Why not?

CogitoCogito 6y ago
> Your argument is that it doesn't matter. Never did I argue that it does not matter. In fact I didn't even take a position on the matter. I specifically asked _you_ about _your_ beliefs. > So in that case why not pick the one that actually makes sense according to the motion of the solar system? If I have to make a choice between two equally logical solutions, I always pick the most beautiful or most symmetrical. Why not? Why not? As I pointed out, there are other considerations at play like morning/evening light. You apparently believe that the balance of beauty and symmetry with the solar system is the most important consideration. I don't personally consider that very important.
- globular-toast 6y ago
  Changing the clock does not alter the amount of daylight. I'm sure you don't need to go and adjust your clock now to convince yourself of this. So what considerations are there? It simply does not matter. The only single reason I can think to choose one clock over another is that one synchronises with the solar system and one does not. I don't consider it more important than anything else because there is nothing else to consider.
  - CogitoCogito 6y ago
    > Changing the clock does not alter the amount of daylight. I'm sure you don't need to go and adjust your clock now to convince yourself of this. I never stated otherwise. > The only single reason I can think to choose one clock over another is that one synchronises with the solar system and one does not. Why are you being deliberately obtuse? Having extra daylight in the morning (i.e. pre-12:00) and the afternoon (i.e. post 12:00) are reasons. The amount of light before and after school/work/etc. has real effects. > ...there is nothing else to consider. This is factually untrue. You may not consider other reasons as important as your own, but stop pretending they don't exist. By the way, you are an extremely irritating person to discuss with. I started this conversation specifically to hear your side and you are taking the opportunity to ignore and belittles ideas other than your own. It's pretty childish honestly.
    - globular-toast 6y ago
      > By the way, you are an extremely irritating person to discuss with. I started this conversation specifically to hear your side and you are taking the opportunity to ignore and belittles ideas other than your own. It's pretty childish honestly. I feel exactly the same way about you. This issue is fascinating as it seems people just can't talk about it rationally. I will stop now.