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Even with daylight savings time they're still getting up "earlier than their bodies are tuned for" And considering that they'd be getting hundreds of hours mor

Even with daylight savings time they're still getting up "earlier than their bodies are tuned for" And considering that they'd be getting hundreds of hours more daylight after their working day for the entirety of their adult lives it seems like a more than fair trade. Teenagers are far more resilient than young kids when it comes to this kind of thing. Extending the portion of the year that parents can let younger kids recreate outdoors in daylight has far more societal benefit than whether a teenager is 10% more irritable. The teenager problem could also be solved by letting them go to school on their own and decoupling their school timing from adults work schedules.

runarberg 6y ago
> Extending the portion of the year that parents can let younger kids recreate outdoors in daylight has far more societal benefit. Are you sure? Have you done the research? They had this discussion in Iceland recently and I think they found this point inconclusive. I think health officials still favored moving out of permanent DST into permanent standard because they know the health benefits of good sleeping, and they know that many children are sleep deprived.
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  > They had this discussion in Iceland recently and I think they found this point inconclusive. Iceland is significantly farther north than the northernmost point in the continental US, so what is best on-balance for Iceland on a matter that has to do with the relation between social schedules and the sun is not necessarily a guide to what is appropriate in the US, even if we assume the correctness of the judgement in Iceland. Which is not to say that you are wrong to question the evidence, only that “Iceland found…” is itself of not much value in a discussion of US policy on the issue.
  - runarberg 6y ago
    You are right, public health experts need to go over the available data, and study whether changing to permanent DST might lead to more damage then good in for the health of the general population. There are reasons to doubt that the benefits of extra sunlight in the evening is not worth the potential sleep deprivation. This needs to be studied in the effected areas before a decision is made.
    - Wowfunhappy 6y ago
      And to start with, how is the fact that people in the western end of a timezone get an average of 19 minutes less sleep? This was linked by another commenter, and I think it's pretty strong evidence: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0167629618309718 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01676...
creaturemachine 6y ago
Exactly. The problems with teens are solved once they age into adulthood. The kids are alright.

runarberg 6y ago

> Extending the portion of the year that parents can let younger kids recreate outdoors in daylight has far more societal benefit. Are you sure? Have you done the research? They had this discussion in Iceland recently and I think they found this point inconclusive. I think health officials still favored moving out of permanent DST into permanent standard because they know the health benefits of good sleeping, and they know that many children are sleep deprived.

dragonwriter 6y ago
> They had this discussion in Iceland recently and I think they found this point inconclusive. Iceland is significantly farther north than the northernmost point in the continental US, so what is best on-balance for Iceland on a matter that has to do with the relation between social schedules and the sun is not necessarily a guide to what is appropriate in the US, even if we assume the correctness of the judgement in Iceland. Which is not to say that you are wrong to question the evidence, only that “Iceland found…” is itself of not much value in a discussion of US policy on the issue.
- runarberg 6y ago
  You are right, public health experts need to go over the available data, and study whether changing to permanent DST might lead to more damage then good in for the health of the general population. There are reasons to doubt that the benefits of extra sunlight in the evening is not worth the potential sleep deprivation. This needs to be studied in the effected areas before a decision is made.
  - Wowfunhappy 6y ago
    And to start with, how is the fact that people in the western end of a timezone get an average of 19 minutes less sleep? This was linked by another commenter, and I think it's pretty strong evidence: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0167629618309718 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01676...

creaturemachine 6y ago

Exactly. The problems with teens are solved once they age into adulthood. The kids are alright.