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So naturally, there are some complaints > The Commission's announcement was met with severe criticism with .eu website owners claiming that revoking existing d

by clort 6y ago

So naturally, there are some complaints > The Commission's announcement was met with severe criticism with .eu website owners claiming that revoking existing domains went against the right to property. which if this > EU regulations currently stipulate that .eu websites can only be allocated to EU citizens – regardless of their place of residence – as well as non-EU citizens and organizations established in a member state. is "the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth" then it seems to me that this revocation is somewhat premature. It could be argued, that these domains were allocated in accordance with the law and just because the status of the owner has changed, that does not require Eurid to deallocate them, which would expose them to legal repercussions if they simply chose to do that.

OnlyOneCannolo 6y ago
Does "be allocated" mean "the act of allocating" or "being presently allocated"?
- axlee 6y ago
  To me, it has to be "being presently allocated". Otherwise, any reseller based in the EU could act as middleman and make .eu available for any entity in the world by transferring the rights after registration, which goes obviously against the intent of the rule.
  - sgc 6y ago
    There are brokers of .eu domains that allow you to get a .eu address for the purpose. Of course it's a service and subscription, but it's trivial for anyone to get a .eu domain.
CorruptedArc 6y ago
Imagine also if you had a domain run by multiple people. Only for the one its registered under to be a UK citizen. You get de-platformed and were given little to no warning to switch the registrant.
- andruby 6y ago
  Warnings were sent in October, with reminders in December. Afaik, domain owners who’ve had their domains suspended can validate their eligibility again. So I think it is possible to transfer ownership of the domain to someone (or an entity) that is eligible. Emails (from GoDaddy) seem to have been sent to registrars as early as August 2018 [0] [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25649326 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25649326
  - M2Ys4U 6y ago
    Warnings were sent in 2019 and early 2020 as well, just in case there was no withdrawal agreement concluded.
amscanne 6y ago
Yes, this seems to be the most spiteful possible interpretation (especially before the new rules). It seems easier and more sensible just to enforce the rules at renewal.
- skington 6y ago
  That's unfair to people whose domains were up for renewal in January and February compared to November and December, though.
arcticbull 6y ago
I think that might be a misread of "allocated" - for instance, I'm currently allocated to my employer. That doesn't mean I can't be terminated.
BillyTheKing 6y ago
also, those owners could still be second passport holders and therefore EU citizens (regardless of their residence). So it's somewhat premature to simply assume that because they currently reside in the UK they're not eligible anymore, or am I missing something here?
- dustinmoris 6y ago
  No you are not missing anything. I am an EU citizen residing in the UK, but I was and still am Austrian by nationality and only hold an Austrian citizenship. Luckily I never fancied a .eu domain, but if the EU would have prematurely revoked my domain then I'd be very unhappy. I find the EU mostly very incompetent. Great ideas, but terrible execution on literally every matter. EDIT: I'm being downvoted because I have an honest opinion which isn't nationalistic. That's quite funny. I don't see myself as any particular nationality. I don't see myself as having a strong allegiance towards the EU, Austria, the UK or Poland (my cultural heritage). If the EU sucks at something (and unfortunately they do that a lot) then I'm not afraid to point it out. Patting people on the back and pretending that they are awesome when they actually suck isn't going to help anyone. Sometimes it's best to be brutally honest, especially if it's people who are unelected and the only way to show discontent is through voice and not ballot.
  - cromka 6y ago
    > No you are not missing anything A bold statement. And then you proceed to speculate with: > "Luckily I never fancied a .eu domain, but if the EU would have prematurely revoked my domain then I'd be very unhappy." So you don't know if they are missing anything or not. You didn't prove it, but you sure have an opinion about it and the EU, which doesn't add to discussion. Which is why you're being downvoted.
    - dustinmoris 6y ago
      They cancelled .eu domains for all registrants who reside in the UK, irrespective of their citizenship. That is not a speculation. They ask for those people to prove their citizenship before the end of March. Why doesn't the EU first ask for the citizenship proof before harming its own citizen? It's kind of dumb to think that the EU happily harms its own citizen and don't even realise it because they think the only harm UK folks.
rca 6y ago
fwiw the relevant regulation seems to be : https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=uriserv%3AOJ.L_.2019.091.01.0025.01.ENG&toc=OJ%3AL%3A2019%3A091%3AFULL#d1e437-25-1 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=uriserv%... The way I read article 4 3 b) I think the registry is allowed to terminate a domain name when the domain holder stops being eligible.
dafoex 6y ago
This all said, I feel this is a massive non-issue. The EU announced their plan to do this very early on, and while I thought it was a bad idea for similar "property" reasons as you've mentioned, webmasters have had what? 3.5 years to change their URLs? We saw this with GDPR, and the bottom line just seems like its always going to be the Six Ps: Proper Planning Prevents Piss-Poor Performance.

by clort 6y ago

OnlyOneCannolo 6y ago

Does "be allocated" mean "the act of allocating" or "being presently allocated"?

axlee 6y ago
To me, it has to be "being presently allocated". Otherwise, any reseller based in the EU could act as middleman and make .eu available for any entity in the world by transferring the rights after registration, which goes obviously against the intent of the rule.
- sgc 6y ago
  There are brokers of .eu domains that allow you to get a .eu address for the purpose. Of course it's a service and subscription, but it's trivial for anyone to get a .eu domain.

CorruptedArc 6y ago

Imagine also if you had a domain run by multiple people. Only for the one its registered under to be a UK citizen. You get de-platformed and were given little to no warning to switch the registrant.

andruby 6y ago
Warnings were sent in October, with reminders in December. Afaik, domain owners who’ve had their domains suspended can validate their eligibility again. So I think it is possible to transfer ownership of the domain to someone (or an entity) that is eligible. Emails (from GoDaddy) seem to have been sent to registrars as early as August 2018 [0] [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25649326 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25649326
- M2Ys4U 6y ago
  Warnings were sent in 2019 and early 2020 as well, just in case there was no withdrawal agreement concluded.

amscanne 6y ago

Yes, this seems to be the most spiteful possible interpretation (especially before the new rules). It seems easier and more sensible just to enforce the rules at renewal.

skington 6y ago
That's unfair to people whose domains were up for renewal in January and February compared to November and December, though.

arcticbull 6y ago

I think that might be a misread of "allocated" - for instance, I'm currently allocated to my employer. That doesn't mean I can't be terminated.

BillyTheKing 6y ago

also, those owners could still be second passport holders and therefore EU citizens (regardless of their residence). So it's somewhat premature to simply assume that because they currently reside in the UK they're not eligible anymore, or am I missing something here?

dustinmoris 6y ago
No you are not missing anything. I am an EU citizen residing in the UK, but I was and still am Austrian by nationality and only hold an Austrian citizenship. Luckily I never fancied a .eu domain, but if the EU would have prematurely revoked my domain then I'd be very unhappy. I find the EU mostly very incompetent. Great ideas, but terrible execution on literally every matter. EDIT: I'm being downvoted because I have an honest opinion which isn't nationalistic. That's quite funny. I don't see myself as any particular nationality. I don't see myself as having a strong allegiance towards the EU, Austria, the UK or Poland (my cultural heritage). If the EU sucks at something (and unfortunately they do that a lot) then I'm not afraid to point it out. Patting people on the back and pretending that they are awesome when they actually suck isn't going to help anyone. Sometimes it's best to be brutally honest, especially if it's people who are unelected and the only way to show discontent is through voice and not ballot.
- cromka 6y ago
  > No you are not missing anything A bold statement. And then you proceed to speculate with: > "Luckily I never fancied a .eu domain, but if the EU would have prematurely revoked my domain then I'd be very unhappy." So you don't know if they are missing anything or not. You didn't prove it, but you sure have an opinion about it and the EU, which doesn't add to discussion. Which is why you're being downvoted.
  - dustinmoris 6y ago
    They cancelled .eu domains for all registrants who reside in the UK, irrespective of their citizenship. That is not a speculation. They ask for those people to prove their citizenship before the end of March. Why doesn't the EU first ask for the citizenship proof before harming its own citizen? It's kind of dumb to think that the EU happily harms its own citizen and don't even realise it because they think the only harm UK folks.

rca 6y ago

fwiw the relevant regulation seems to be : https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=uriserv%3AOJ.L_.2019.091.01.0025.01.ENG&toc=OJ%3AL%3A2019%3A091%3AFULL#d1e437-25-1 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=uriserv%... The way I read article 4 3 b) I think the registry is allowed to terminate a domain name when the domain holder stops being eligible.

dafoex 6y ago

This all said, I feel this is a massive non-issue. The EU announced their plan to do this very early on, and while I thought it was a bad idea for similar "property" reasons as you've mentioned, webmasters have had what? 3.5 years to change their URLs? We saw this with GDPR, and the bottom line just seems like its always going to be the Six Ps: Proper Planning Prevents Piss-Poor Performance.