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We made that plugin ourselves and support it officially, it allows per-post choice to use the Classic or Gutenberg editor on a per-post basis... it doesn't mean

We made that plugin ourselves and support it officially, it allows per-post choice to use the Classic or Gutenberg editor on a per-post basis... it doesn't mean that people aren't using Gutenberg. The numbers got driven up when a number of web hosts pre-installed it when auto-upgrading their users to 5.0, and continue to bundle it with new installs. We're now seeing over 235k posts a day made using the Gutenberg editor. The iOS and Android versions support the majority of the blocks now, and are being re-licensed using the MPL so they can be easily embedded and used by other apps. There's a public release of the Gutenberg plugin every other week and we're relentlessly working on making it faster, easier to use, and more flexible. People are creating things they could never have done using the Classic editor, and that's really exciting. And of course the beautiful thing about open source is you can customize it and use whatever editor you want, as someone else mentioned, and given WP's very open APIs you don't even need to ever touch any of our editors, you can post using wp-cli, Git, Emacs, third-party desktop clients, sending an email...

Cenk 6y ago
Hi Matt, I appreciate you jumping in to the discussion. I’m a big fan of Wordpress. > We're now seeing over 235k posts a day made using the Gutenberg editor Just curious how you know this number. Is this on Wordpress.com or on self-hosted Wordpress sites too?
- dasginganinja 6y ago
  That's Matt Mullenweg. From his bio on here: > Co-founder of WordPress; founder of Automattic
  - MichaelMcG 6y ago
    It appears they know that; might just want to understand the scope of the data Matt provided and/or how in-depth the Automattic analytics are on self-hosted sites--which is something that I (as someone with a limited understanding of the platform) am interested in learning more about.
- gibrown 6y ago
  WordPress.com and self hosted sites that have the Jetpack plugin.
  - photomatt 6y ago
    That is correct!
prox 6y ago
I know there has been lots of investment in the Gutenberg editor, but one thing that always surprised me is to have the title as a default design element in the block editor. While every page should have a title, it’s not necessarily a design element. In this manner it loses its functional grouping and creates a weird juxtaposition for the user. I would love to hear your thoughts on this!
iambateman 6y ago
Thanks for this comment and for your stewardship of WP! It would be nice to have the classic editor plugin directly within core. I end up installing it on every site, and baking that option into core would save a step.
jseliger 6y ago
Jakeseliger.com is hosted on Wordpress.com, and I find the "Gutenberg" editor extremely irritating. My workflow has, for now, become start new post -> save draft of post -> go to /wp-admin and select the "classic" editor from the posts page. It's been a huge regression in usability for me; I wonder how many others feel similarly. I guess the obvious answer is, "You should've self-hosted if you want control over the editor." Still: I didn't imagine wordpress.com moving to create a much harder-to-use default.
rm010 6y ago
Can you share how many posts a day are made using the Classic editor to give a bit of context?
photomatt 6y ago
Gutenberg is a really robust and active project[1] in its own right, separate from WordPress, and I hope that it becomes a cross-CMS standard. If you've worked on any sort of editor, block system, page builder, etc Automattic are hiring very aggressively for senior JS positions. [2] It's a fun and fast-moving project to work on, with a huge impact. Many others are hiring for Gutenberg skills as well, so it's a high-demand competency. [1] https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg [2] https://automattic.com/work-with-us/javascript-engineer/ https://automattic.com/work-with-us/javascript-engineer/

Cenk 6y ago

Hi Matt, I appreciate you jumping in to the discussion. I’m a big fan of Wordpress. > We're now seeing over 235k posts a day made using the Gutenberg editor Just curious how you know this number. Is this on Wordpress.com or on self-hosted Wordpress sites too?

dasginganinja 6y ago
That's Matt Mullenweg. From his bio on here: > Co-founder of WordPress; founder of Automattic
- MichaelMcG 6y ago
  It appears they know that; might just want to understand the scope of the data Matt provided and/or how in-depth the Automattic analytics are on self-hosted sites--which is something that I (as someone with a limited understanding of the platform) am interested in learning more about.
gibrown 6y ago
WordPress.com and self hosted sites that have the Jetpack plugin.
- photomatt 6y ago
  That is correct!

prox 6y ago

I know there has been lots of investment in the Gutenberg editor, but one thing that always surprised me is to have the title as a default design element in the block editor. While every page should have a title, it’s not necessarily a design element. In this manner it loses its functional grouping and creates a weird juxtaposition for the user. I would love to hear your thoughts on this!

iambateman 6y ago

Thanks for this comment and for your stewardship of WP! It would be nice to have the classic editor plugin directly within core. I end up installing it on every site, and baking that option into core would save a step.

jseliger 6y ago

Jakeseliger.com is hosted on Wordpress.com, and I find the "Gutenberg" editor extremely irritating. My workflow has, for now, become start new post -> save draft of post -> go to /wp-admin and select the "classic" editor from the posts page. It's been a huge regression in usability for me; I wonder how many others feel similarly. I guess the obvious answer is, "You should've self-hosted if you want control over the editor." Still: I didn't imagine wordpress.com moving to create a much harder-to-use default.

rm010 6y ago

Can you share how many posts a day are made using the Classic editor to give a bit of context?

photomatt 6y ago

Gutenberg is a really robust and active project[1] in its own right, separate from WordPress, and I hope that it becomes a cross-CMS standard. If you've worked on any sort of editor, block system, page builder, etc Automattic are hiring very aggressively for senior JS positions. [2] It's a fun and fast-moving project to work on, with a huge impact. Many others are hiring for Gutenberg skills as well, so it's a high-demand competency. [1] https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg [2] https://automattic.com/work-with-us/javascript-engineer/ https://automattic.com/work-with-us/javascript-engineer/