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The low price is an indicator of the low desirability.

mhh__ 6y ago
It's sold 500k units which is more than most Tesla's have, it's a different product for a different market. Think again.
- toomuchtodo 6y ago
  Who is more likely to be right? You and your cheap used car use case or sophisticated capital markets and the valuation they’ve assigned to Tesla based on future expectations? Tesla can’t build 3s and Ys fast enough to keep up with demand, and they’re $40k-$50k (roughly) vehicles.
  - mhh__ 6y ago
    Have I touched a nerve? All I was saying is that Tesla's are very good but they're also expensive for a European market which is why the Leaf is a perfectly good EV for driving to the shops.
    - toomuchtodo 6y ago
      Not at all. I’m simply pointing out that the market for new Tesla vehicles is enormous versus that for cheap used EVs of other brands.
- Consultant32452 6y ago
  What precisely should I think again about? If the VW was priced at the same level as a Tesla, do you believe it would generate the same sales?
  - mhh__ 6y ago
    I have no idea what you're trying to say
    - Consultant32452 6y ago
      We're talking about whether or not price is a signal of desirability. You suggested a good point about the Leaf is the ability to buy a used one for $7k. I believe the way pricing works suggests that the Leaf has low desirability, because you can get one for so cheap. What you're implying appears to violate the law of demand, and I'm hoping you can explain what I'm missing.
      - mhh__ 6y ago
        What you're missing is that the leaf is designed to be cheaper than a tesla. That's not hard to work out. A Bugatti veyron goes for a lot more than a specced out mercedes S-class because they're designed to be sold to different markets. The leaf's entertainment system, for example, does the job it's intended to do fine, the tesla one is designed to innovate. They are empirically desirable because they've sold half a million of them.

It's sold 500k units which is more than most Tesla's have, it's a different product for a different market. Think again.

toomuchtodo 6y ago
Who is more likely to be right? You and your cheap used car use case or sophisticated capital markets and the valuation they’ve assigned to Tesla based on future expectations? Tesla can’t build 3s and Ys fast enough to keep up with demand, and they’re $40k-$50k (roughly) vehicles.
- mhh__ 6y ago
  Have I touched a nerve? All I was saying is that Tesla's are very good but they're also expensive for a European market which is why the Leaf is a perfectly good EV for driving to the shops.
  - toomuchtodo 6y ago
    Not at all. I’m simply pointing out that the market for new Tesla vehicles is enormous versus that for cheap used EVs of other brands.
Consultant32452 6y ago
What precisely should I think again about? If the VW was priced at the same level as a Tesla, do you believe it would generate the same sales?
- mhh__ 6y ago
  I have no idea what you're trying to say
  - Consultant32452 6y ago
    We're talking about whether or not price is a signal of desirability. You suggested a good point about the Leaf is the ability to buy a used one for $7k. I believe the way pricing works suggests that the Leaf has low desirability, because you can get one for so cheap. What you're implying appears to violate the law of demand, and I'm hoping you can explain what I'm missing.
    - mhh__ 6y ago
      What you're missing is that the leaf is designed to be cheaper than a tesla. That's not hard to work out. A Bugatti veyron goes for a lot more than a specced out mercedes S-class because they're designed to be sold to different markets. The leaf's entertainment system, for example, does the job it's intended to do fine, the tesla one is designed to innovate. They are empirically desirable because they've sold half a million of them.