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I hate the way this article is worded. Or perhaps the problem is the source documents. "Ticketmaster" didn't do anything. Ticketmaster is a company which canno

I hate the way this article is worded. Or perhaps the problem is the source documents. "Ticketmaster" didn't do anything. Ticketmaster is a company which cannot make decisions or take actions. - An employee at Ticketmaster stole a password (and financial documents) - Multiple other Ticketmaster employees abused that stolen information to actively attack a competitor. - Ticketmaster management was aware of this and rewarded that employee with a promotion and additional responsibilities. Both the thief and the managers who rewarded the the thief should be going to jail. Instead the company is paying a small fine. I guess at least someone is going to prison, but I doubt all of the parties who were aware are. As usual, the executives in charge walk away. Hopefully there is a class action lawsuit by the shareholders/ owners of this company against Ticketmaster.

icefrakker 6y ago
"Ticketmaster" didn't do anything. Ticketmaster is a company which cannot make decisions or take actions. It's sad that people can write things like this and still expect to have their opinions taken seriously.
aqme28 6y ago
If corporate management knew about and encouraged this behavior, how is that not "Ticketmaster" doing it? IMO both the individuals and the corporation should be held responsible.
- ogre_codes 6y ago
  I guess I wasn't as clear as I thought here. Corporations can't act, people inside the corporations act. If laws get broken, the individuals who made that choice should pay the price. This wasn't a defense of the company, I'm fine with the company getting fined here, so long as the people who did this get penalized as well. So long as we let companies be a sort of shelter for the people inside the company, this kind of activity will continue.
  - jnsie 6y ago
    Kind of like saying "the 49ers didn't lose, their players did"...
    - swsieber 6y ago
      No, the equivalent of this in the sports world would be fining a team some thousands of dollars for drug abuse instead of banning the offending players.
      - spoonjim 6y ago
        which they should, if the drug abuse was encouraged by team leaders and rewarded with promotions/contracts.
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        ska 6y ago
        are you agreeing with the "instead of" in that post? Through symmetry if a player is expelled from a league for doping, a manager who arranged/encouraged it should face the same, probably.
    - ogre_codes 6y ago
      When Barry Bond got caught doping, nobody said "The SF Giants were doping". Barry Bond owned that. That's all I'm looking for here.
      - fastball 6y ago
        But this was a collective effort that involved multiple people within the company. When "the Astros" got caught stealing signs, we say it was the Astros, even though the majority of people involved with the team were not involved with the sign-stealing.
hshshs2 6y ago
The last class action lawsuit against them resulted in people receiving unusable virtual tickets. I have hundreds of dollars worth. They’re incredibly good at ripping people off.
CPLX 6y ago
It really is both. Corporations have corporate personhood and should be held accountable for criminal acts, as should individual criminals. Ticketmaster did do something. They clearly broke the law. So did the individuals. All should be severely punished this is egregious behavior.
- TwoBit 6y ago
  Otherwise every illegal thing any company did would be played off as by rogue individuals.
  - spacemanmatt 6y ago
    That is literally the standard dodge.
cbsmith 6y ago
> - Ticketmaster management was aware of this and rewarded that employee with a promotion and additional responsibilities. At some point the employees involved were fired. So there was some short term reward, and long term... I don't know. Also, the article says that Zeeshan Zaidi, plead guilty to 26 months ago. So obviously this is the last in a series of consequences.
- TwoBit 6y ago
  Fired after the company was caught, or before?
  - cbsmith 6y ago
    I think from the context it is very clear that it was not before.
WarOnPrivacy 6y ago
> As usual, the executives in charge walk away. As usual, the DoJ has little appetite to prosecute non-weak people. It is the most maddeningly predictable outcome of every DoJ action against a corporation (w/ well funded lobbyists). We can thank every administration ever for this.
foota 6y ago
It sounds like the person that was found guilty was at a fairly high level, not the top perhaps, but it sounds like it was quite possibly their idea.

icefrakker 6y ago

"Ticketmaster" didn't do anything. Ticketmaster is a company which cannot make decisions or take actions. It's sad that people can write things like this and still expect to have their opinions taken seriously.

aqme28 6y ago

If corporate management knew about and encouraged this behavior, how is that not "Ticketmaster" doing it? IMO both the individuals and the corporation should be held responsible.

ogre_codes 6y ago
I guess I wasn't as clear as I thought here. Corporations can't act, people inside the corporations act. If laws get broken, the individuals who made that choice should pay the price. This wasn't a defense of the company, I'm fine with the company getting fined here, so long as the people who did this get penalized as well. So long as we let companies be a sort of shelter for the people inside the company, this kind of activity will continue.
- jnsie 6y ago
  Kind of like saying "the 49ers didn't lose, their players did"...
  - swsieber 6y ago
    No, the equivalent of this in the sports world would be fining a team some thousands of dollars for drug abuse instead of banning the offending players.
    - spoonjim 6y ago
      which they should, if the drug abuse was encouraged by team leaders and rewarded with promotions/contracts.
      - deleted 6y ago
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      - ska 6y ago
        are you agreeing with the "instead of" in that post? Through symmetry if a player is expelled from a league for doping, a manager who arranged/encouraged it should face the same, probably.
  - ogre_codes 6y ago
    When Barry Bond got caught doping, nobody said "The SF Giants were doping". Barry Bond owned that. That's all I'm looking for here.
    - fastball 6y ago
      But this was a collective effort that involved multiple people within the company. When "the Astros" got caught stealing signs, we say it was the Astros, even though the majority of people involved with the team were not involved with the sign-stealing.

hshshs2 6y ago

The last class action lawsuit against them resulted in people receiving unusable virtual tickets. I have hundreds of dollars worth. They’re incredibly good at ripping people off.

CPLX 6y ago

It really is both. Corporations have corporate personhood and should be held accountable for criminal acts, as should individual criminals. Ticketmaster did do something. They clearly broke the law. So did the individuals. All should be severely punished this is egregious behavior.

TwoBit 6y ago
Otherwise every illegal thing any company did would be played off as by rogue individuals.
- spacemanmatt 6y ago
  That is literally the standard dodge.

cbsmith 6y ago

> - Ticketmaster management was aware of this and rewarded that employee with a promotion and additional responsibilities. At some point the employees involved were fired. So there was some short term reward, and long term... I don't know. Also, the article says that Zeeshan Zaidi, plead guilty to 26 months ago. So obviously this is the last in a series of consequences.

TwoBit 6y ago
Fired after the company was caught, or before?
- cbsmith 6y ago
  I think from the context it is very clear that it was not before.

WarOnPrivacy 6y ago

> As usual, the executives in charge walk away. As usual, the DoJ has little appetite to prosecute non-weak people. It is the most maddeningly predictable outcome of every DoJ action against a corporation (w/ well funded lobbyists). We can thank every administration ever for this.

foota 6y ago

It sounds like the person that was found guilty was at a fairly high level, not the top perhaps, but it sounds like it was quite possibly their idea.