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This includes hybrids. It's really questionable to incentivize hybrid vehicles and selling it as a electrified success. Discussions about the efficiency/enviro

This includes hybrids. It's really questionable to incentivize hybrid vehicles and selling it as a electrified success. Discussions about the efficiency/environmental impact/... of combustion v.s. electric aside, it's obvious that driving a huge battery around will burn more fuel. I think this can only be seen as a success for electrified motors if it's proven that they're actually being used.

eggman314 6y ago
If the article is to be believed this does not include hybrids. The first sentence reads in part "... where the sale of electric cars has overtaken those powered by petrol, diesel and hybrid engines ... " (my emphasis)
realradicalwash 6y ago
> driving a huge battery around will burn more fuel and driving around two engines. also, equally important, having to produce two engines gives hybrids an extra co2 footprint even before their first km. this way, the total co2 footprint over the entire life cycle of a hybrid car can be just the same as that of the same car with a combustion engine.
ajross 6y ago
Plug-in hybrids used for routine urban driving (commutes, errands, etc...) are effectively EVs. I don't have usage data for Norway specifically, but the numbers that have been thrown around elsewhere are something like 20-30% of the driving is done using the gasoline engine. Almost everyone celebrating "electric cars" in that headline is really cheering for carbon reduction, and this for sure qualifies.
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- michaelt 6y ago
  I've heard some reports that a lot of plug-in hybrid buyers don't plug them in - or rarely plug them in. In which case it's effectively a gasoline car.
  - erik_seaberg 6y ago
    I would assume that’s a measure of how many apartments rely on shared or street parking, because anyone with a private garage would prefer to plug in.
- kwhitefoot 6y ago
  Many plug in hybrids in Norway are leased and the leasing companies say that many of them are never plugged in, the charging cables never unwrapped.
davnn 6y ago
> Discussions about the efficiency/environmental impact/... of combustion v.s. electric aside, it's obvious that driving a huge battery around will burn more fuel. I am not sure if I am misunderstanding something here, but did you ever compare fuel statistics of ICE/HEV/PHEV?
eisa01 6y ago
It does not include hybrids, the 54% is pure battery EVs :) Plugin hybrids were 20% and non-plugin hybrids 9% Total *EV share of 83% See slide 21: https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/opplysningsraadet-for-veitrafikk/images/Bilåret-2020-fakta-og-trender-adm.-direktør-Øyvind-Solberg-Thorsen-OFV.pdf https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/opplysningsraadet-for-vei...
hcurtiss 6y ago
I don't know, man. My wife's hybrid Rav4 gets 40+ mpg. That's amazing for a small SUV, and it's a fantastic car.
orange_tee 6y ago
Battery manufacturing emits a lot of CO2, to the point that out of the factory, an EV is less green than an ICEV, and it takes about 2 to 3 years of commuting just to catch up. Now with a plug-in hybrid assuming it has half of the battery capacity, it could very well be that the PHEV is actually greener than an BEV. A smaller battery that is enough 90% of the time + an ICE to make up for that 10% could very well be greener than a BEV with twice the battery capacity.
asenk 6y ago
Literally everything you said is wrong. The figure does not include hybrids, driving around a battery does not consume more energy, and yes they are being used.

eggman314 6y ago

If the article is to be believed this does not include hybrids. The first sentence reads in part "... where the sale of electric cars has overtaken those powered by petrol, diesel and hybrid engines ... " (my emphasis)

realradicalwash 6y ago

> driving a huge battery around will burn more fuel and driving around two engines. also, equally important, having to produce two engines gives hybrids an extra co2 footprint even before their first km. this way, the total co2 footprint over the entire life cycle of a hybrid car can be just the same as that of the same car with a combustion engine.

ajross 6y ago

Plug-in hybrids used for routine urban driving (commutes, errands, etc...) are effectively EVs. I don't have usage data for Norway specifically, but the numbers that have been thrown around elsewhere are something like 20-30% of the driving is done using the gasoline engine. Almost everyone celebrating "electric cars" in that headline is really cheering for carbon reduction, and this for sure qualifies.

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michaelt 6y ago
I've heard some reports that a lot of plug-in hybrid buyers don't plug them in - or rarely plug them in. In which case it's effectively a gasoline car.
- erik_seaberg 6y ago
  I would assume that’s a measure of how many apartments rely on shared or street parking, because anyone with a private garage would prefer to plug in.
kwhitefoot 6y ago
Many plug in hybrids in Norway are leased and the leasing companies say that many of them are never plugged in, the charging cables never unwrapped.

davnn 6y ago

> Discussions about the efficiency/environmental impact/... of combustion v.s. electric aside, it's obvious that driving a huge battery around will burn more fuel. I am not sure if I am misunderstanding something here, but did you ever compare fuel statistics of ICE/HEV/PHEV?

eisa01 6y ago

It does not include hybrids, the 54% is pure battery EVs :) Plugin hybrids were 20% and non-plugin hybrids 9% Total *EV share of 83% See slide 21: https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/opplysningsraadet-for-veitrafikk/images/Bilåret-2020-fakta-og-trender-adm.-direktør-Øyvind-Solberg-Thorsen-OFV.pdf https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/opplysningsraadet-for-vei...

hcurtiss 6y ago

I don't know, man. My wife's hybrid Rav4 gets 40+ mpg. That's amazing for a small SUV, and it's a fantastic car.

orange_tee 6y ago

Battery manufacturing emits a lot of CO2, to the point that out of the factory, an EV is less green than an ICEV, and it takes about 2 to 3 years of commuting just to catch up. Now with a plug-in hybrid assuming it has half of the battery capacity, it could very well be that the PHEV is actually greener than an BEV. A smaller battery that is enough 90% of the time + an ICE to make up for that 10% could very well be greener than a BEV with twice the battery capacity.

asenk 6y ago

Literally everything you said is wrong. The figure does not include hybrids, driving around a battery does not consume more energy, and yes they are being used.