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Kia niro comes out the same price, electric sells the most. Hybrid 405k NOK [0] Electric 415k NOK [1] 0: https://www.kia.com/api/bin/docDownload?program=broch

by arve0 6y ago

Kia niro comes out the same price, electric sells the most. Hybrid 405k NOK [0] Electric 415k NOK [1] 0: https://www.kia.com/api/bin/docDownload?program=brochure&locale=no&path=%2Fcontent%2Fdam%2Fkwcms%2Fkme%2Fno%2Fnn%2Fassets%2Fprislister-brosjyrer%2F20-12-04%2F2021-Kia-Norge-Niro_hybrid(DE)_PE-kundeprisliste-August20-26-08-2020.pdf https://www.kia.com/api/bin/docDownload?program=brochure&loc... 1: https://www.kia.com/api/bin/docDownload?program=brochure&locale=no&path=%2Fcontent%2Fdam%2Fkwcms%2Fkme%2Fno%2Fnn%2Fassets%2Fprislister-brosjyrer%2F20-12-04%2F2021-Kia-Norge-e-Niro(DE)_PE-kundeprisliste-July20-31-07-2020.pdf https://www.kia.com/api/bin/docDownload?program=brochure&loc...

1stcity3rdcoast 6y ago
There are significant subsidies and schemes that the Norwegian government offers that reduces the total purchase price of the electric.
- arve0 6y ago
  Yes, that is correct. But the argument is, «electric cheaper -> sells more». My argument is that the people of Norway wants electric, when priced the same. Electric is the new shiny that most people in Norway want.
  - 1stcity3rdcoast 6y ago
    But they're not priced the same. The MSRP is just the MSRP and does not include the incentives for EVs.
    - arve0 6y ago
      They are priced the same, I’ve bought this car to this price. The MSRP includes no sale tax (mva) and no horse power tax. Are you thinking of some other incentives?
      - 1stcity3rdcoast 6y ago
        The retail price is the same, sure, but the effective price is much different because the incentives come from different tax and rebate schemes that aren't factored into the retail price. EVs have no VAT in Norway, no road tax, no toll or ferry fees [0] -- that's a major difference in the effective price! [0] https://elbil.no/english/norwegian-ev-policy/ https://elbil.no/english/norwegian-ev-policy/
        arve0 6y ago
        Sorry, thought you meant “initial” total purchasing price, if that makes sense. Road tax is back, this year. No ferry fee is only on Europe roads. No toll fee still. Also service cost is probably cheaper, as electric has less failing motor parts, not sure about the battery though.
aphextron 6y ago
>Kia niro comes out the same price, electric sells the most. That's my whole point. Of course more people will choose an EV when they are at price parity. The problem is that they are not. The Niro EV sells for a ~40% premium in the US over the ICE version, because the government subsidies are far less.

by arve0 6y ago

1stcity3rdcoast 6y ago

There are significant subsidies and schemes that the Norwegian government offers that reduces the total purchase price of the electric.

arve0 6y ago
Yes, that is correct. But the argument is, «electric cheaper -> sells more». My argument is that the people of Norway wants electric, when priced the same. Electric is the new shiny that most people in Norway want.
- 1stcity3rdcoast 6y ago
  But they're not priced the same. The MSRP is just the MSRP and does not include the incentives for EVs.
  - arve0 6y ago
    They are priced the same, I’ve bought this car to this price. The MSRP includes no sale tax (mva) and no horse power tax. Are you thinking of some other incentives?
    - 1stcity3rdcoast 6y ago
      The retail price is the same, sure, but the effective price is much different because the incentives come from different tax and rebate schemes that aren't factored into the retail price. EVs have no VAT in Norway, no road tax, no toll or ferry fees [0] -- that's a major difference in the effective price! [0] https://elbil.no/english/norwegian-ev-policy/ https://elbil.no/english/norwegian-ev-policy/
      - arve0 6y ago
        Sorry, thought you meant “initial” total purchasing price, if that makes sense. Road tax is back, this year. No ferry fee is only on Europe roads. No toll fee still. Also service cost is probably cheaper, as electric has less failing motor parts, not sure about the battery though.

aphextron 6y ago

>Kia niro comes out the same price, electric sells the most. That's my whole point. Of course more people will choose an EV when they are at price parity. The problem is that they are not. The Niro EV sells for a ~40% premium in the US over the ICE version, because the government subsidies are far less.