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I'm hearing more and more electric cars pass me in traffic and about half of them are not Teslas. (Sweden) I have no numbers to back this up, just observations

I'm hearing more and more electric cars pass me in traffic and about half of them are not Teslas. (Sweden) I have no numbers to back this up, just observations of a cyclist commuter in Malmö. Edit: According to this absolutely awful website[1] it's up to 113,790 EVs in Sweden in 2020. And according to this[2] much better website jan-nov in 2020 saw 93k gasoline driven cars vs. 21k EVs. So we're not even close to Norway. :( 1. https://www.elbilsstatistik.se/elbilsstatistik https://www.elbilsstatistik.se/elbilsstatistik 2. https://www.scb.se/hitta-statistik/statistik-efter-amne/transporter-och-kommunikationer/vagtrafik/fordonsstatistik/pong/statistiknyhet/fordonsstatistik-november-2020/ https://www.scb.se/hitta-statistik/statistik-efter-amne/tran...

dijit 6y ago
As far as I know there's not much incentive to buy electric in Sweden, where in Norway they're heavily subsidised. Also, small internet, Hello from Caroli, Malmo! [EDIT: Cars otherwise being heavily taxed and EV's being Tax free, both at purchase time and with annual car taxes (with additional perks such as no parking tolls and driving in bus lanes) is the definition of subsidised]
- xyproto 6y ago
  They are not subsidized in Norway, just exempt from taxes.
  - martinald 6y ago
    Taxes are absolutely enormous though so it is really a huge subsidy in a way.
  - nickles 6y ago
    > just exempt from taxes That's a form of subsidy. > Subsidies come in various forms including: direct (cash grants, interest-free loans) and indirect (tax breaks, insurance, low-interest loans, accelerated depreciation, rent rebates). [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsidy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsidy
- dagw 6y ago
  It's not so much that they are heavily subsidized per se. but rather that IC cars are heavily taxed. A Tesla in Norway costs slightly more than in the US, while an 'equivalent' BMW or Audi can cost ~3 times as much as in the US.
  - nickles 6y ago
    > IC cars are heavily taxed. A Tesla in Norway costs slightly more than in the US This is a form of subsidy (namely a tax break). Tesla also benefits from subsidies in the US. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsidy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsidy
- eisa01 6y ago
  Note that PHEVs also receive substantial tax breaks, such that the advantage of an BEV over a PHEV is mostly only the 25% VAT The annual registration, toll road and parking fee exemptions have all been abolished, but there is a goal of it being max 50% of an ICE car You do have up to 60k SEK *EV subsidy in Sweden: https://www.transportstyrelsen.se/en/road/Vehicles/bonus-malus/ https://www.transportstyrelsen.se/en/road/Vehicles/bonus-mal... More details on Norwegian incentives (not updated for the removal of exemption of registration tax): https://elbil.no/english/norwegian-ev-policy/ https://elbil.no/english/norwegian-ev-policy/
conjecTech 6y ago
Looks like the market share for electric hit 50% in December for Sweden if you count Plug-in Hybrids[1]. So a bit more optimistic! Clean Technica does great reporting for these numbers. [1] https://cleantechnica.com/2021/01/05/sweden-hits-record-50-electric-vehicle-share-in-december/ https://cleantechnica.com/2021/01/05/sweden-hits-record-50-e...

dijit 6y ago

As far as I know there's not much incentive to buy electric in Sweden, where in Norway they're heavily subsidised. Also, small internet, Hello from Caroli, Malmo! [EDIT: Cars otherwise being heavily taxed and EV's being Tax free, both at purchase time and with annual car taxes (with additional perks such as no parking tolls and driving in bus lanes) is the definition of subsidised]

xyproto 6y ago
They are not subsidized in Norway, just exempt from taxes.
- martinald 6y ago
  Taxes are absolutely enormous though so it is really a huge subsidy in a way.
- nickles 6y ago
  > just exempt from taxes That's a form of subsidy. > Subsidies come in various forms including: direct (cash grants, interest-free loans) and indirect (tax breaks, insurance, low-interest loans, accelerated depreciation, rent rebates). [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsidy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsidy
dagw 6y ago
It's not so much that they are heavily subsidized per se. but rather that IC cars are heavily taxed. A Tesla in Norway costs slightly more than in the US, while an 'equivalent' BMW or Audi can cost ~3 times as much as in the US.
- nickles 6y ago
  > IC cars are heavily taxed. A Tesla in Norway costs slightly more than in the US This is a form of subsidy (namely a tax break). Tesla also benefits from subsidies in the US. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsidy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsidy
eisa01 6y ago
Note that PHEVs also receive substantial tax breaks, such that the advantage of an BEV over a PHEV is mostly only the 25% VAT The annual registration, toll road and parking fee exemptions have all been abolished, but there is a goal of it being max 50% of an ICE car You do have up to 60k SEK *EV subsidy in Sweden: https://www.transportstyrelsen.se/en/road/Vehicles/bonus-malus/ https://www.transportstyrelsen.se/en/road/Vehicles/bonus-mal... More details on Norwegian incentives (not updated for the removal of exemption of registration tax): https://elbil.no/english/norwegian-ev-policy/ https://elbil.no/english/norwegian-ev-policy/

conjecTech 6y ago

Looks like the market share for electric hit 50% in December for Sweden if you count Plug-in Hybrids[1]. So a bit more optimistic! Clean Technica does great reporting for these numbers. [1] https://cleantechnica.com/2021/01/05/sweden-hits-record-50-electric-vehicle-share-in-december/ https://cleantechnica.com/2021/01/05/sweden-hits-record-50-e...