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Volkswagen has majorly invested in EVs. One important model Volkswagen has made is the ID.3 . Similar in size to the golf / rabbit. This is an attainable car I'

Volkswagen has majorly invested in EVs. One important model Volkswagen has made is the ID.3 . Similar in size to the golf / rabbit. This is an attainable car I'm interested in buying.

arethuza 6y ago
I'm in the UK, I suspect my first electric car (in a couple of years) will be the new Škoda based on the same platform as the ID.3: https://www.skoda.co.uk/electric-hybrid-cars/enyaq-iv https://www.skoda.co.uk/electric-hybrid-cars/enyaq-iv
- outoftheabyss 6y ago
  Still a huge markup on their petrol equivalents, roughly £14k more expensive. Yes you get a few extra bells and whistles and a small grant to help but that difference still has a ways to go
  - snickms 6y ago
    Surely the fuel cost savings would wipe out the price difference within a couple of years? Not sure what the average price of petrol is where you are though. [Edit[ https://myelectriccar.com.au/calculator/ https://myelectriccar.com.au/calculator/ confirms this at least for a Nissan Leaf running in Australia.
    - outoftheabyss 6y ago
      I worked out that based on energy prices and my 12,000 miles per year, I would save about £500-700 per year in fuel in an average EV. Important to remember the 14k difference is based on entry level range and there’s still the issues that charging presents
    - arethuza 6y ago
      I wondered about that - using this site: https://www.goultralow.com/journey-cost-savings-calculator/ https://www.goultralow.com/journey-cost-savings-calculator/ I reckon we'd save less than £1000 a year changing my wifes Karoq for an electric Enyaq. Possibly more as I suspect she could charge at work. So not really worth it purely financially.
    - dagw 6y ago
      Surely the fuel cost savings would wipe out the price difference within a couple of years? Only if you drive a lot. Based on my driving patterns I calculated it would take me a good 10-12 years to make up the difference. Which is a shame because in every other way an electric car would fit my usage pattern perfectly.
  - bdamm 6y ago
    No phone-as-key? I'd pay $14k just for that. It's life changing.
    - burmanm 6y ago
      I hope you have phones worth of $14k in your pocket in case you break one. I always keep my Tesla's "CC key" with me as a backup for the phone. Also, the phone is horrible key when you have stuff in the hands or using gloves in the winter. It's a gimmick.
      - bdamm 6y ago
        No, the phone stays in your pocket. You walk up to the car and open it, gloves or no gloves. It's great.
    - arethuza 6y ago
      I definitely would not want to have my phone as a key. I can keep my car key safely attached inside by backpack but I use my phone all the time when walking (taking pictures, OS maps, audiobooks) so its much more likely that I would damage/lose my phone than lose my car key.
      - bdamm 6y ago
        Of course the phone is not the only key.
  - bryanlarsen 6y ago
    According to Consumer Reports, electric cars are now cheaper on a Total Cost of Ownership basis than gas cars. Your mileage may vary depending on what you select as a comparable and some of your assumptions, but you save a lot of money on fuel and maintenance and need to factor that in. The resale value of your vehicle is also a huge factor. https://arstechnica.com/cars/2020/10/owning-an-electric-car-really-does-save-money-consumer-reports-finds/ https://arstechnica.com/cars/2020/10/owning-an-electric-car-...
    - outoftheabyss 6y ago
      For those that are at the bottom end of the market and rely on second hand cars this won’t be the case for a long time. I lease my car and when looking recently it’s not the case for me either, even when factoring in associated costs. It’s an extra 150 quid a month on sticker price for a roughly equivalent car. Take fuel, tax, servicing reductions out and you are still no where near parity
  - xbmcuser 6y ago
    Battery prices are falling 10-15% a year. Add economies of sale for other parts of an electric car and competition as new electric cars keep coming out in 2 years the difference will be less than 8k when the op plans to buy. My prediction is in less than 5 years electric car sticker prices will be cheaper than petrol cars with the bans on new ice cars coming in the few years after that new model ice cars might actually stop coming out as car manufacturers would not want to spend money on what they wont be allowed to sell.
- jfk13 6y ago
  I'd be more interested if it didn't have what looks like a huge touchscreen in the middle of the dash.
  - arethuza 6y ago
    I have a Škoda Kamiq which has a very similar dash design and I'd agree that I preferred the older style approach of having buttons for everything (e.g. heated windscreen). However, my Kamiq has Apple CarPlay and a 'virtual cockpit' - the latter I thought would be a bit gimmicky but I really like it. Edit: Did have to take the car back to the dealer because of a software problem when it was ~2 weeks old - which was a first for me... :-|
baq 6y ago
personally waiting for an affordable VW e-bus, bonus points for pop-top.

Volkswagen has majorly invested in EVs. One important model Volkswagen has made is the ID.3 . Similar in size to the golf / rabbit. This is an attainable car I'm interested in buying.

arethuza 6y ago

I'm in the UK, I suspect my first electric car (in a couple of years) will be the new Škoda based on the same platform as the ID.3: https://www.skoda.co.uk/electric-hybrid-cars/enyaq-iv https://www.skoda.co.uk/electric-hybrid-cars/enyaq-iv

outoftheabyss 6y ago
Still a huge markup on their petrol equivalents, roughly £14k more expensive. Yes you get a few extra bells and whistles and a small grant to help but that difference still has a ways to go
- snickms 6y ago
  Surely the fuel cost savings would wipe out the price difference within a couple of years? Not sure what the average price of petrol is where you are though. [Edit[ https://myelectriccar.com.au/calculator/ https://myelectriccar.com.au/calculator/ confirms this at least for a Nissan Leaf running in Australia.
  - outoftheabyss 6y ago
    I worked out that based on energy prices and my 12,000 miles per year, I would save about £500-700 per year in fuel in an average EV. Important to remember the 14k difference is based on entry level range and there’s still the issues that charging presents
  - arethuza 6y ago
    I wondered about that - using this site: https://www.goultralow.com/journey-cost-savings-calculator/ https://www.goultralow.com/journey-cost-savings-calculator/ I reckon we'd save less than £1000 a year changing my wifes Karoq for an electric Enyaq. Possibly more as I suspect she could charge at work. So not really worth it purely financially.
  - dagw 6y ago
    Surely the fuel cost savings would wipe out the price difference within a couple of years? Only if you drive a lot. Based on my driving patterns I calculated it would take me a good 10-12 years to make up the difference. Which is a shame because in every other way an electric car would fit my usage pattern perfectly.
- bdamm 6y ago
  No phone-as-key? I'd pay $14k just for that. It's life changing.
  - burmanm 6y ago
    I hope you have phones worth of $14k in your pocket in case you break one. I always keep my Tesla's "CC key" with me as a backup for the phone. Also, the phone is horrible key when you have stuff in the hands or using gloves in the winter. It's a gimmick.
    - bdamm 6y ago
      No, the phone stays in your pocket. You walk up to the car and open it, gloves or no gloves. It's great.
  - arethuza 6y ago
    I definitely would not want to have my phone as a key. I can keep my car key safely attached inside by backpack but I use my phone all the time when walking (taking pictures, OS maps, audiobooks) so its much more likely that I would damage/lose my phone than lose my car key.
    - bdamm 6y ago
      Of course the phone is not the only key.
- bryanlarsen 6y ago
  According to Consumer Reports, electric cars are now cheaper on a Total Cost of Ownership basis than gas cars. Your mileage may vary depending on what you select as a comparable and some of your assumptions, but you save a lot of money on fuel and maintenance and need to factor that in. The resale value of your vehicle is also a huge factor. https://arstechnica.com/cars/2020/10/owning-an-electric-car-really-does-save-money-consumer-reports-finds/ https://arstechnica.com/cars/2020/10/owning-an-electric-car-...
  - outoftheabyss 6y ago
    For those that are at the bottom end of the market and rely on second hand cars this won’t be the case for a long time. I lease my car and when looking recently it’s not the case for me either, even when factoring in associated costs. It’s an extra 150 quid a month on sticker price for a roughly equivalent car. Take fuel, tax, servicing reductions out and you are still no where near parity
- xbmcuser 6y ago
  Battery prices are falling 10-15% a year. Add economies of sale for other parts of an electric car and competition as new electric cars keep coming out in 2 years the difference will be less than 8k when the op plans to buy. My prediction is in less than 5 years electric car sticker prices will be cheaper than petrol cars with the bans on new ice cars coming in the few years after that new model ice cars might actually stop coming out as car manufacturers would not want to spend money on what they wont be allowed to sell.
jfk13 6y ago
I'd be more interested if it didn't have what looks like a huge touchscreen in the middle of the dash.
- arethuza 6y ago
  I have a Škoda Kamiq which has a very similar dash design and I'd agree that I preferred the older style approach of having buttons for everything (e.g. heated windscreen). However, my Kamiq has Apple CarPlay and a 'virtual cockpit' - the latter I thought would be a bit gimmicky but I really like it. Edit: Did have to take the car back to the dealer because of a software problem when it was ~2 weeks old - which was a first for me... :-|

baq 6y ago

personally waiting for an affordable VW e-bus, bonus points for pop-top.