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For the sake of discussion, let's say this must be a state actor of some kind. Has there been any evidence provided that this must be Russia?

jc01480 6y ago
The methods utilized in this compromise are consistent with methods utilized in other attributed breaches not disclosed.
- mistermann 6y ago
  >> Has there been any evidence provided that this must be Russia? > The methods utilized in this compromise are consistent with methods utilized in other attributed breaches not disclosed. I am unable to understand what meaning I should extract from your comment. My expectation is that an answer to my question must be one of: Yes, No, or Unknown (and possibly accompanied by additional commentary). Would a proper interpretation of your answer be either of these?: - "No, there has not been any evidence provided that establishes that this must be Russia." - "There has not been any evidence provided that establishes that this must be Russia, therefore it is UNKNOWN whether this is Russia."
OminousWeapons 6y ago
No, and they're not going to release that data while the investigation is ongoing.
- mistermann 6y ago
  Does it seem odd at all that everyone is not just willing but eager to accept repeated claims of Russian responsibility for this or that, despite significant evidence for the repeated claims rarely being released? Even asking a question is essentially guaranteed to be met with at least downvotes, if not a stern lecture, despite there being no evidence.
  - OminousWeapons 6y ago
    > Does it seem odd at all that everyone is not just willing but eager to accept repeated claims of Russian responsibility for this or that, despite significant evidence for the repeated claims rarely being released? Not particularly. It is no secret that Americans really don't like the Russian government, and there is precedence for APT groups associated with the Russian government attacking the US. I agree though that there is no publicly available data to support the assertion that Russia is responsible for this at this time. My earlier post was simply pointing out the low likelihood of an individual or independent group performing this attack. The high level of sophistication combined with their risky target selection suggests it is a nation state.
    - mistermann 6y ago
      It does indeed suggest that it is a nation state - my problem is with the repeated (evidence-free) assertions that the nation state is(!) Russia - and also that hardly anyone seems to care about what is Actually True, on matters this dangerous.

jc01480 6y ago

The methods utilized in this compromise are consistent with methods utilized in other attributed breaches not disclosed.

mistermann 6y ago
>> Has there been any evidence provided that this must be Russia? > The methods utilized in this compromise are consistent with methods utilized in other attributed breaches not disclosed. I am unable to understand what meaning I should extract from your comment. My expectation is that an answer to my question must be one of: Yes, No, or Unknown (and possibly accompanied by additional commentary). Would a proper interpretation of your answer be either of these?: - "No, there has not been any evidence provided that establishes that this must be Russia." - "There has not been any evidence provided that establishes that this must be Russia, therefore it is UNKNOWN whether this is Russia."

OminousWeapons 6y ago

No, and they're not going to release that data while the investigation is ongoing.

mistermann 6y ago
Does it seem odd at all that everyone is not just willing but eager to accept repeated claims of Russian responsibility for this or that, despite significant evidence for the repeated claims rarely being released? Even asking a question is essentially guaranteed to be met with at least downvotes, if not a stern lecture, despite there being no evidence.
- OminousWeapons 6y ago
  > Does it seem odd at all that everyone is not just willing but eager to accept repeated claims of Russian responsibility for this or that, despite significant evidence for the repeated claims rarely being released? Not particularly. It is no secret that Americans really don't like the Russian government, and there is precedence for APT groups associated with the Russian government attacking the US. I agree though that there is no publicly available data to support the assertion that Russia is responsible for this at this time. My earlier post was simply pointing out the low likelihood of an individual or independent group performing this attack. The high level of sophistication combined with their risky target selection suggests it is a nation state.
  - mistermann 6y ago
    It does indeed suggest that it is a nation state - my problem is with the repeated (evidence-free) assertions that the nation state is(!) Russia - and also that hardly anyone seems to care about what is Actually True, on matters this dangerous.