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I started building Handel some weeks ago, as a simple way of writing music with code. While the livecoding movement focuses on providing solutions for performin

by ddj231 6y ago

I started building Handel some weeks ago, as a simple way of writing music with code. While the livecoding movement focuses on providing solutions for performing music live with code, and making changes on the fly -- I focused on simple song writing (one reason why I wouldn't consider Handel an esoteric language). One notable aspect of Handel is the behavior of its procedures, which are called chunks. Each chunk is conceptually a song track and all run chunks (from procedure calls) play at the same time. A run of a chunk can be customized by passing in arguments (ex. chords to use). The bpm, instrument, and loop amount of a run of a chunk can also be optionally set to further customize that run. Open to questions and feedback!

tartoran 6y ago
I suggest you add a drop down with some composition examples in the editor so it kind of demos out what it is capable of. The language feels quite natural to transfer an existing score or to compose something out so it could fill out some niche. I'm not a trained musician so take this as an opinion.
- ddj231 6y ago
  There's an examples folder here linked to from the documentation but having examples in editor would be intuitive as well. (here's the link to the folder if you were curious: https://github.com/ddj231/Handel/tree/master/Examples https://github.com/ddj231/Handel/tree/master/Examples) The editor is pretty barebones at the moment
johnx123-up 6y ago
How is this different (or better than) from ABC notation?
- ddj231 6y ago
  I think in 2 ways: 1. Readability: Ex. start play E3, Ab3 for 1b rest 5b play E3, Ab3 for 1b finish It is somewhat intuitive to read the above without experience with the language (or with programming in general). 2. Procedures: You can create chunks (procedures), which are reusable. For example you can create a chunk which takes 3 chord playables as parameters and run that chunk with any arguments. And also stack those runs on top of each other (because all run chunks play at the same time).
fergonco 6y ago
Hi! I built something similar: https://fergonco.org/MusicJargon/ https://fergonco.org/MusicJargon/. I think you will find it interesting. It compiles to midi, though. Your browser support is quite a feature, indeed. Had long discussions with my brother (the family musician) on how to encode chords. At some point I even used the actual UTF characters for sharp and bemol and was a total nightmare to write :D My effort is mostly abandoned (I switched to teach my kids to actually play!). Courage!
- ddj231 6y ago
  Hi! Compiling to midi is also a great feature. I think having both the immediate feedback of hearing your compositions, and the ability to export to midi would be useful
p2detar 6y ago
Looks great on the first glance! I'll inspect it in detail tonight. I'm looking for something that helps my get back into chip-tunes composing. I used to be an ImpulseTracker junkie in the past.
- stelonix 6y ago
  Got any songs to share? It's the kind of music I listen to most of the time, specially while coding/working on my projetcs!
undecisive 6y ago
Definitely cool! I do like simple text-based music tools, and the fact that it has a live web player is excellent. A couple of things I noted: - I couldn't work out how to run two chunks in sequence - I'm presuming the language doesn't support it yet, since none of the examples do it either? - It would be nice if the "play" keyword accepted the "loop" syntax too (or something similar) - On the web editor, despite the song reaching the finish, you have to press stop before you can press play again. It's a little thing, but I spent an embarrassingly long amount of time thinking it was just a firefox bug, copying my song to clipboard, refreshing the page and pasting it back in! That said, have enjoyed playing with it. Any future plans?
- ddj231 6y ago
  Thanks for the feedback! Running two chunks in sequence is currently not supported, but I've been considering a separate block (or a customization of a run of a chunk) that could allow that behavior. Adding looping functionality to play would also be a nice addition. Future plans wise, in the short term I'm looking to address some bugs and proposed features. But generally want to get the interpreter to a stable state
stelonix 6y ago
Am very interested! By looking at it on a glance, I'm wanting to write a mscx (Musescore) importer. I have a question though, that may have skipped my eyes: is there a way of setting a note's duration to less than a beat?
mcphage 6y ago
How do you run two runnables at the same time? Like, chords for the left hand, and then the melody for the right?
- ddj231 6y ago
  On a basic level the program below would accomplish that (can't promise this sounds pleasing to the ear ;) - start chunk lefthand play C3, Eb3, G3 for 2b rest for 2b endchunk chunk righthand play C3 for 1b play Gb3 for 1b play Eb3 for 1b play Db3 for 1b endchunk run lefthand with loop for 100 run righthand with loop for 100 finish
  - mcphage 6y ago
    Which part of "run lefthand with loop for 100" makes it non-blocking? It it "run" instead of "play"?
    - ddj231 6y ago
      Currently all run chunks play at the same time. So 'run somechunk' will create a run of a chunk that begins at the same time as all other run chunks. Your question does bring up an interesting idea, which would be to have a 'play somechunk' command that is blocking. But that does not exist at the moment
ArtWomb 6y ago
Syntax is very human readable, yet still expressive. In terms of extending, is there an easy interface for generating custom waveforms? Or alternatively, if I generate sine oscillator raw data just using javascript math functions, can I mix the resulting waveform into a Handel chuck that's already running? My first though was that this would make a great basis for Visual Coding! Great Work ;)
PaulDavisThe1st 6y ago
Is there a reason you decided to start from scratch with this DSL rather than implement one of the many other live coding DSLs on top of Tone.js ? Some specific vision of the end point, or just a desire to start from the beginning?
- ddj231 6y ago
  I wanted to deviate from live coding, and make a language that targets songwriting/composition. I think the end goal of live coding is slightly different, and seems to target performance (though live coding DSLs and applications can be used to do the former)
ad404b8a372f2b9 6y ago
Do you feel it's made it easier for you to compose? Has it changed the way you think about music?

by ddj231 6y ago

tartoran 6y ago

I suggest you add a drop down with some composition examples in the editor so it kind of demos out what it is capable of. The language feels quite natural to transfer an existing score or to compose something out so it could fill out some niche. I'm not a trained musician so take this as an opinion.

ddj231 6y ago
There's an examples folder here linked to from the documentation but having examples in editor would be intuitive as well. (here's the link to the folder if you were curious: https://github.com/ddj231/Handel/tree/master/Examples https://github.com/ddj231/Handel/tree/master/Examples) The editor is pretty barebones at the moment

johnx123-up 6y ago

How is this different (or better than) from ABC notation?

ddj231 6y ago
I think in 2 ways: 1. Readability: Ex. start play E3, Ab3 for 1b rest 5b play E3, Ab3 for 1b finish It is somewhat intuitive to read the above without experience with the language (or with programming in general). 2. Procedures: You can create chunks (procedures), which are reusable. For example you can create a chunk which takes 3 chord playables as parameters and run that chunk with any arguments. And also stack those runs on top of each other (because all run chunks play at the same time).

fergonco 6y ago

Hi! I built something similar: https://fergonco.org/MusicJargon/ https://fergonco.org/MusicJargon/. I think you will find it interesting. It compiles to midi, though. Your browser support is quite a feature, indeed. Had long discussions with my brother (the family musician) on how to encode chords. At some point I even used the actual UTF characters for sharp and bemol and was a total nightmare to write :D My effort is mostly abandoned (I switched to teach my kids to actually play!). Courage!

ddj231 6y ago
Hi! Compiling to midi is also a great feature. I think having both the immediate feedback of hearing your compositions, and the ability to export to midi would be useful

p2detar 6y ago

Looks great on the first glance! I'll inspect it in detail tonight. I'm looking for something that helps my get back into chip-tunes composing. I used to be an ImpulseTracker junkie in the past.

stelonix 6y ago
Got any songs to share? It's the kind of music I listen to most of the time, specially while coding/working on my projetcs!

undecisive 6y ago

Definitely cool! I do like simple text-based music tools, and the fact that it has a live web player is excellent. A couple of things I noted: - I couldn't work out how to run two chunks in sequence - I'm presuming the language doesn't support it yet, since none of the examples do it either? - It would be nice if the "play" keyword accepted the "loop" syntax too (or something similar) - On the web editor, despite the song reaching the finish, you have to press stop before you can press play again. It's a little thing, but I spent an embarrassingly long amount of time thinking it was just a firefox bug, copying my song to clipboard, refreshing the page and pasting it back in! That said, have enjoyed playing with it. Any future plans?

ddj231 6y ago
Thanks for the feedback! Running two chunks in sequence is currently not supported, but I've been considering a separate block (or a customization of a run of a chunk) that could allow that behavior. Adding looping functionality to play would also be a nice addition. Future plans wise, in the short term I'm looking to address some bugs and proposed features. But generally want to get the interpreter to a stable state

stelonix 6y ago

Am very interested! By looking at it on a glance, I'm wanting to write a mscx (Musescore) importer. I have a question though, that may have skipped my eyes: is there a way of setting a note's duration to less than a beat?

mcphage 6y ago

How do you run two runnables at the same time? Like, chords for the left hand, and then the melody for the right?

ddj231 6y ago
On a basic level the program below would accomplish that (can't promise this sounds pleasing to the ear ;) - start chunk lefthand play C3, Eb3, G3 for 2b rest for 2b endchunk chunk righthand play C3 for 1b play Gb3 for 1b play Eb3 for 1b play Db3 for 1b endchunk run lefthand with loop for 100 run righthand with loop for 100 finish
- mcphage 6y ago
  Which part of "run lefthand with loop for 100" makes it non-blocking? It it "run" instead of "play"?
  - ddj231 6y ago
    Currently all run chunks play at the same time. So 'run somechunk' will create a run of a chunk that begins at the same time as all other run chunks. Your question does bring up an interesting idea, which would be to have a 'play somechunk' command that is blocking. But that does not exist at the moment

ArtWomb 6y ago

Syntax is very human readable, yet still expressive. In terms of extending, is there an easy interface for generating custom waveforms? Or alternatively, if I generate sine oscillator raw data just using javascript math functions, can I mix the resulting waveform into a Handel chuck that's already running? My first though was that this would make a great basis for Visual Coding! Great Work ;)

PaulDavisThe1st 6y ago

Is there a reason you decided to start from scratch with this DSL rather than implement one of the many other live coding DSLs on top of Tone.js ? Some specific vision of the end point, or just a desire to start from the beginning?

ddj231 6y ago
I wanted to deviate from live coding, and make a language that targets songwriting/composition. I think the end goal of live coding is slightly different, and seems to target performance (though live coding DSLs and applications can be used to do the former)

ad404b8a372f2b9 6y ago

Do you feel it's made it easier for you to compose? Has it changed the way you think about music?