> has refused to turn over user data You don't need to turn over any data if you transmit which programs people start in the clear, unencrypted, easily observa

> has refused to turn over user data You don't need to turn over any data if you transmit which programs people start in the clear, unencrypted, easily observable, to one of your servers. And they do turn it over. They tried to make icloud end to end encrypted but then didn't do it at the behest of the US government. They employ the same tactics as zoom by claiming that icloud is encrypted, trying to make people believe that it's end to end encrypted. The encryption key still sits with them though. Yes, there are some high profile cases where they very publicly refused the feds. Got a lot of publicity. That was their main goal, to paint an image of them not turning over user data. Maybe apple indeed collects less user data than Google. But they still collect many things, and it's way harder to escape apple's collection than to escape Google's collection as their OSs are so locked down.