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i dont think anyone is arguing that grocery stores should run their own delivery service. the problem is that these delivery drivers / gig workers should be get

by kbar13 6y ago

i dont think anyone is arguing that grocery stores should run their own delivery service. the problem is that these delivery drivers / gig workers should be getting benefits and fair wages for essentially working full time jobs.

whalesalad 6y ago
No they shouldn’t. That will perpetuate the issue. Healthcare needs to move in the direction of being provided by the state or at least needs to be decoupled from your profession and affordable. The status quo is what needs to change. Gig economy work is going to take over. People need to insure and protect themselves. And it needs to be possible.
- toomuchtodo 6y ago
  If the government can get universal healthcare done, it can enforce better labor policies around gig work, even if it makes it unprofitable or substantially destroys demand for it. The gig economy is only going to take over if people keep voting for it. Lots of states and a federal government left to take up the issue.
  - whalesalad 6y ago
    People are voting for it by doing it. The work is absolutely exploding. Shipt cannot hire fast enough. They are handing out thousand dollar bonuses left and right. And I am in Metro Detroit, not a big area by any means.
    - toomuchtodo 6y ago
      By voting for it, I mean codifying into law labor policies that strongly disadvantage workers (Prop 22). We’re supposedly a first world country; we should act like it with regards to labor regulation.
      - Ericson2314 6y ago
        From a macro-economic perspective there is two very different "gig economies" - utopian: recognition that humans cannot do sustained productivity, higher experts in short bursts capture peak productivity, everyone works less overall - dystopian: automation makes more surplus labor, which reduces the incentive of further automation by hiring low productivity but dirt cheap labor. If everyone does this, and it isn't worth it to maintain yesterday's automation, overall productivity can go down. Unfortunately Americansn live in the second one. We are suburban squatters in the rotting ruins of our past greatness.
- Ericson2314 6y ago
  I agree, but there is great risk in letting the norms of what is a "decent and fair" standard of living degrade until the universal basic income and healthcare arrive.
  - Danieru 6y ago
    Except the majority of Americans are happy with their current situation[0]. They recognize improvements are required for other's, but personally don't dislike their situation. This is the core problem, and will not get fixed if everyone continues to be happy and content. Papering over the inefficacy by off loading the burden into other sectors is the exact cause of US's healthcare issue. For the political will to arrive it requires more people to become unhappy, you cannot cut an onion without tears. Or you can protect everyone and not change the system, that's what US has been doing for a hundred years. [0] https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/09/politics/gallup-private-health-insurance-satisfaction/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/09/politics/gallup-private-h... <- first duck duck go search result

by kbar13 6y ago

whalesalad 6y ago

No they shouldn’t. That will perpetuate the issue. Healthcare needs to move in the direction of being provided by the state or at least needs to be decoupled from your profession and affordable. The status quo is what needs to change. Gig economy work is going to take over. People need to insure and protect themselves. And it needs to be possible.

toomuchtodo 6y ago
If the government can get universal healthcare done, it can enforce better labor policies around gig work, even if it makes it unprofitable or substantially destroys demand for it. The gig economy is only going to take over if people keep voting for it. Lots of states and a federal government left to take up the issue.
- whalesalad 6y ago
  People are voting for it by doing it. The work is absolutely exploding. Shipt cannot hire fast enough. They are handing out thousand dollar bonuses left and right. And I am in Metro Detroit, not a big area by any means.
  - toomuchtodo 6y ago
    By voting for it, I mean codifying into law labor policies that strongly disadvantage workers (Prop 22). We’re supposedly a first world country; we should act like it with regards to labor regulation.
    - Ericson2314 6y ago
      From a macro-economic perspective there is two very different "gig economies" - utopian: recognition that humans cannot do sustained productivity, higher experts in short bursts capture peak productivity, everyone works less overall - dystopian: automation makes more surplus labor, which reduces the incentive of further automation by hiring low productivity but dirt cheap labor. If everyone does this, and it isn't worth it to maintain yesterday's automation, overall productivity can go down. Unfortunately Americansn live in the second one. We are suburban squatters in the rotting ruins of our past greatness.
Ericson2314 6y ago
I agree, but there is great risk in letting the norms of what is a "decent and fair" standard of living degrade until the universal basic income and healthcare arrive.
- Danieru 6y ago
  Except the majority of Americans are happy with their current situation[0]. They recognize improvements are required for other's, but personally don't dislike their situation. This is the core problem, and will not get fixed if everyone continues to be happy and content. Papering over the inefficacy by off loading the burden into other sectors is the exact cause of US's healthcare issue. For the political will to arrive it requires more people to become unhappy, you cannot cut an onion without tears. Or you can protect everyone and not change the system, that's what US has been doing for a hundred years. [0] https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/09/politics/gallup-private-health-insurance-satisfaction/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/09/politics/gallup-private-h... <- first duck duck go search result