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Seems like he's guilty. I don't think the charges represent the severity of the crime. 500 doses of vaccine silently ruined is 500 cases of reckless endangermen

Seems like he's guilty. I don't think the charges represent the severity of the crime. 500 doses of vaccine silently ruined is 500 cases of reckless endangerment to me. My heart goes out to his (ex-)wife. What a mess to deal with.

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s1artibartfast 6y ago
What punishment do you think would be more suitable? Most likely outcome is that nobody will be harmed and there is only financial damages.
- SpikeDad 6y ago
  He certainly should lose his license and have his Pharmacy degree revoked. Then he should be unemployable. Then he should be convicted of 500 counts of criminal endangerment.
  - s1artibartfast 6y ago
    I would agree with the revoked pharmacists license, criminal mischief for destroying 10K worth of property, probation, and restitution. Anything more is bloodthirstily for a crime where nobody was hurt, and likely nobody will be hurt.
    - aaron695 6y ago
      You are being a little strange going on about the money. The kill rate is around .2%. These are 500+ vaccines that are destroyed. This isn't an episode of House, people will now miss out. Medicine is a zero sum game in real life. It's reasonable, even probable to think a person will die from this, 500 x .2% = 1 If this is about mental illness and the system. Yes it's 100% broken, I agree. On a more interesting note, this seems like a mental illness getting as big as the larger religions. Which makes it not an illness really, more being human. Interesting times ahead.
      - s1artibartfast 6y ago
        Maybe that numbers lead to the difference. I was on about the money because I thought it was the most tangible outcome. The way I see it the general population has a 0.0006/day chance of catching the virus, so you have to take that into account. Assuming you are in the half of the population that believes in the virus and wants a vaccine, the rate is probably half that because you are thaking even the smallest common sense precautions. If we use 0.0003/day, the 0.2% death rate, and a 50 day delay of treatment, I get that this Waco individual may have indirectly led to 0.01% of a human death, which I think is still very much an overestimate. On an intellectual level, the weird part I react to is that we don’t have a criminal justice system set up to punish probabilistic future harms from actions. What does it mean to have potentially killed 1% of a person someday? On an emotional level, the weird part for me is how quickly people on each side of this are to dehumanize others and seek harsh and violent retribution. People have become so agitated, worn down, and stayed that way for so long, I think they have lost a lot of perspective, and for lack of a better word, touch with reality. People who pull guns on others when asked to wear masks, and people who believe individuals should be imprisoned for meeting a consenting lover or friend indoors. Crazy times
- codezero 6y ago
  Getting doses out early and fast is critical and making sure to maintain trust when doing so is also important. This person is on the wrong side of both for reasons that are unacceptable, I expect they’ll be made an example of as we must consider that this is not the last time we’ll need to maintain the integrity of a large scale vaccine roll out. I expect the punishment to appear sufficient to presumably deter other wrong minded people from doing something similar. It probably won’t work.
  - s1artibartfast 6y ago
    Nothing screams trust and integrity like public lashings in street, so perhaps we should start there. I would rather not make a example of someone for PR and add an enhancement for thought crime. But then again, I have never been convinced that US belief in harsh punishments as a deterrent did anything but fill jails and cost money.
    - codezero 6y ago
      We seem to be in complete agreement.
- gjvnq 6y ago
  If he were in Brazil, he could get between 10 and 15 years in jail. (If we consider changing the temperature as a form of poisoning) > Poisoning of drinkable water or food or medicinal substance > Article 270 - Poison water, of common or private use, or food or medicinal substancee destined for consumption > Punishment - reclusion from 10 to 15 years. > Envenenamento de água potável ou de substância alimentícia ou medicinal > Art. 270 - Envenenar água potável, de uso comum ou particular, ou substância alimentícia ou medicinal destinada a consumo: > Pena - reclusão, de dez a quinze anos.
  - s1artibartfast 6y ago
    Interesting. Do you you have any examples regarding temperature and poisoning you could share?

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s1artibartfast 6y ago

What punishment do you think would be more suitable? Most likely outcome is that nobody will be harmed and there is only financial damages.

SpikeDad 6y ago
He certainly should lose his license and have his Pharmacy degree revoked. Then he should be unemployable. Then he should be convicted of 500 counts of criminal endangerment.
- s1artibartfast 6y ago
  I would agree with the revoked pharmacists license, criminal mischief for destroying 10K worth of property, probation, and restitution. Anything more is bloodthirstily for a crime where nobody was hurt, and likely nobody will be hurt.
  - aaron695 6y ago
    You are being a little strange going on about the money. The kill rate is around .2%. These are 500+ vaccines that are destroyed. This isn't an episode of House, people will now miss out. Medicine is a zero sum game in real life. It's reasonable, even probable to think a person will die from this, 500 x .2% = 1 If this is about mental illness and the system. Yes it's 100% broken, I agree. On a more interesting note, this seems like a mental illness getting as big as the larger religions. Which makes it not an illness really, more being human. Interesting times ahead.
    - s1artibartfast 6y ago
      Maybe that numbers lead to the difference. I was on about the money because I thought it was the most tangible outcome. The way I see it the general population has a 0.0006/day chance of catching the virus, so you have to take that into account. Assuming you are in the half of the population that believes in the virus and wants a vaccine, the rate is probably half that because you are thaking even the smallest common sense precautions. If we use 0.0003/day, the 0.2% death rate, and a 50 day delay of treatment, I get that this Waco individual may have indirectly led to 0.01% of a human death, which I think is still very much an overestimate. On an intellectual level, the weird part I react to is that we don’t have a criminal justice system set up to punish probabilistic future harms from actions. What does it mean to have potentially killed 1% of a person someday? On an emotional level, the weird part for me is how quickly people on each side of this are to dehumanize others and seek harsh and violent retribution. People have become so agitated, worn down, and stayed that way for so long, I think they have lost a lot of perspective, and for lack of a better word, touch with reality. People who pull guns on others when asked to wear masks, and people who believe individuals should be imprisoned for meeting a consenting lover or friend indoors. Crazy times
codezero 6y ago
Getting doses out early and fast is critical and making sure to maintain trust when doing so is also important. This person is on the wrong side of both for reasons that are unacceptable, I expect they’ll be made an example of as we must consider that this is not the last time we’ll need to maintain the integrity of a large scale vaccine roll out. I expect the punishment to appear sufficient to presumably deter other wrong minded people from doing something similar. It probably won’t work.
- s1artibartfast 6y ago
  Nothing screams trust and integrity like public lashings in street, so perhaps we should start there. I would rather not make a example of someone for PR and add an enhancement for thought crime. But then again, I have never been convinced that US belief in harsh punishments as a deterrent did anything but fill jails and cost money.
  - codezero 6y ago
    We seem to be in complete agreement.
gjvnq 6y ago
If he were in Brazil, he could get between 10 and 15 years in jail. (If we consider changing the temperature as a form of poisoning) > Poisoning of drinkable water or food or medicinal substance > Article 270 - Poison water, of common or private use, or food or medicinal substancee destined for consumption > Punishment - reclusion from 10 to 15 years. > Envenenamento de água potável ou de substância alimentícia ou medicinal > Art. 270 - Envenenar água potável, de uso comum ou particular, ou substância alimentícia ou medicinal destinada a consumo: > Pena - reclusão, de dez a quinze anos.
- s1artibartfast 6y ago
  Interesting. Do you you have any examples regarding temperature and poisoning you could share?