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The headline seems to be....quite accurate. What a terrible job by Sixty Minutes. Then again, Sixty Minutes has a long history of making stuff up, lying about

by Lazare 6y ago

The headline seems to be....quite accurate. What a terrible job by Sixty Minutes. Then again, Sixty Minutes has a long history of making stuff up, lying about it, or peddling other peoples lies without bothering to investigate (eg, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/60_Minutes#Controversies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/60_Minutes#Controversies), so perhaps I shouldn't have been surprised...

giantg2 6y ago
I was going to say the same thing about mainstream journalism in general using the misrepresentation of the gender wage gap and deception like the Katie Couric thing a couple years ago. Thanks for posting the specific 60 Minutes link!
- giantg2 6y ago
  Why is this being downvoting? For years the media was representing the gender wage gap as being a man and women in the same job with all attributes other than gender being equal (even Obama said this during a state of the union). That clearly isn't what the BLS study says (difference in occupations drive the wage gap on an aggregate level). Wage gap issue: https://www.forbes.com/sites/karlynborysenko/2020/03/31/great-news-ladies-the-gender-pay-gap-is-a-myth/?sh=1bdef0bc3b34 https://www.forbes.com/sites/karlynborysenko/2020/03/31/grea... Couric issue: https://www.npr.org/2016/05/26/479655743/manipulative-editing-reflects-poorly-on-couric-and-her-gun-documentary https://www.npr.org/2016/05/26/479655743/manipulative-editin... I guess people just want to downvote rather than discuss something which they are likely misinformed on.
  - Guthur 6y ago
    Because the narrative comes first, facts always are second. It's been said quite blatantly that it doesn't matter that the statistics might not back up the claim because "there is obviously a problem", this has been going on for decades... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxygmc_SMAU&t=3s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxygmc_SMAU&t=3s
  - GauntletWizard 6y ago
    To clarify: "difference in occupations drive the wage gap on an aggregate level" - This is the largest driver in the aggregate level, but not the only one. The media presentation was still absolutely untrue, but there's a good argument for a real (albeit much smaller) gap when accounting for "all attributes other than gender being equal"
  - listless 6y ago
    I feel sad when I see drive-by downvotes with no rebuttal. It feels...mean spirited.
mhh__ 6y ago
> long history A handful of incidents in a show running since 1968 isn't enough to say that.
- giantg2 6y ago
  I suppose that is one interpretation. The distribution of the controversies is skewed to the recent years though. 14 in the past 34 years seems kind of high to me. What changed that they went from 0 controversies in the first 18 years to this current level?
  - jjulius 6y ago
    According to the same 60 Minutes Wikipedia article linked to at the start of this comment chain, there have been 2,325 episodes of 60 Minutes that have aired. 14 is only 0.6% of 2,325, so (assuming each controversy stems from one episode) less than 1% of their episodes have generated controversy. Edit: That said, also according to the linked Wiki article, there have been only 13 aired controversies (the last one is an internal issue). The updated percentage is 0.56%.
    - giantg2 6y ago
      What are the numbers since '86 when the controversies started? Probably about 1%? Have they issued corrections for them?
      - jjulius 6y ago
        >What are the numbers since '86 when the controversies started? Without the exact number of episodes that have aired since then, I cannot answer that question. >Have they issued corrections for them? It seems to me that you only skimmed the Wikipedia article to get a total count of controversies and to determine the dates around when they occurred. It would probably do you some good to take just a few minutes to read through them so that you better understand the nuance of them, the actual severity of the issues, and whether or not they issued corrections, retractions, etc. In fact if you had read through them, you'd have noticed that the last one isn't a controversy about any aired content at all but is rather an internal issue, so there have only been 13 controversies.
Hnrobert42 6y ago
I don’t think I get you point, but I will say that interview creeps me out. His cutesy grin was unsettling.

by Lazare 6y ago

giantg2 6y ago

I was going to say the same thing about mainstream journalism in general using the misrepresentation of the gender wage gap and deception like the Katie Couric thing a couple years ago. Thanks for posting the specific 60 Minutes link!

giantg2 6y ago
Why is this being downvoting? For years the media was representing the gender wage gap as being a man and women in the same job with all attributes other than gender being equal (even Obama said this during a state of the union). That clearly isn't what the BLS study says (difference in occupations drive the wage gap on an aggregate level). Wage gap issue: https://www.forbes.com/sites/karlynborysenko/2020/03/31/great-news-ladies-the-gender-pay-gap-is-a-myth/?sh=1bdef0bc3b34 https://www.forbes.com/sites/karlynborysenko/2020/03/31/grea... Couric issue: https://www.npr.org/2016/05/26/479655743/manipulative-editing-reflects-poorly-on-couric-and-her-gun-documentary https://www.npr.org/2016/05/26/479655743/manipulative-editin... I guess people just want to downvote rather than discuss something which they are likely misinformed on.
- Guthur 6y ago
  Because the narrative comes first, facts always are second. It's been said quite blatantly that it doesn't matter that the statistics might not back up the claim because "there is obviously a problem", this has been going on for decades... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxygmc_SMAU&t=3s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxygmc_SMAU&t=3s
- GauntletWizard 6y ago
  To clarify: "difference in occupations drive the wage gap on an aggregate level" - This is the largest driver in the aggregate level, but not the only one. The media presentation was still absolutely untrue, but there's a good argument for a real (albeit much smaller) gap when accounting for "all attributes other than gender being equal"
- listless 6y ago
  I feel sad when I see drive-by downvotes with no rebuttal. It feels...mean spirited.

mhh__ 6y ago

> long history A handful of incidents in a show running since 1968 isn't enough to say that.

giantg2 6y ago
I suppose that is one interpretation. The distribution of the controversies is skewed to the recent years though. 14 in the past 34 years seems kind of high to me. What changed that they went from 0 controversies in the first 18 years to this current level?
- jjulius 6y ago
  According to the same 60 Minutes Wikipedia article linked to at the start of this comment chain, there have been 2,325 episodes of 60 Minutes that have aired. 14 is only 0.6% of 2,325, so (assuming each controversy stems from one episode) less than 1% of their episodes have generated controversy. Edit: That said, also according to the linked Wiki article, there have been only 13 aired controversies (the last one is an internal issue). The updated percentage is 0.56%.
  - giantg2 6y ago
    What are the numbers since '86 when the controversies started? Probably about 1%? Have they issued corrections for them?
    - jjulius 6y ago
      >What are the numbers since '86 when the controversies started? Without the exact number of episodes that have aired since then, I cannot answer that question. >Have they issued corrections for them? It seems to me that you only skimmed the Wikipedia article to get a total count of controversies and to determine the dates around when they occurred. It would probably do you some good to take just a few minutes to read through them so that you better understand the nuance of them, the actual severity of the issues, and whether or not they issued corrections, retractions, etc. In fact if you had read through them, you'd have noticed that the last one isn't a controversy about any aired content at all but is rather an internal issue, so there have only been 13 controversies.

Hnrobert42 6y ago

I don’t think I get you point, but I will say that interview creeps me out. His cutesy grin was unsettling.