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Is it really though? If I take a look at a random modern IRC desktop client - how is it more difficult to setup than say your email program? The amount of infor

Is it really though? If I take a look at a random modern IRC desktop client - how is it more difficult to setup than say your email program? The amount of information needed on setup is about the same: server, username, password (in fact email can get a bit more confusing in big corporate email setups with differing imap and smtp servers, etc.) Also there are plenty of modern web clients for IRC, such as https://thelounge.chat/ https://thelounge.chat/ or https://kiwiirc.com/ https://kiwiirc.com/ (which is supposed to work on mobile too).

dheera 6y ago
> your email program Reality check: Most people don't use email programs anymore. Also how do you get IRC to sync all conversation data, history, between your several desktops and phones, how do you send files, make calls, and thread conversations?
- welterde 6y ago
  But clearly no one is saying that email is too hard to use and we should just use $something_else (or are they?). And you are starting to move goalposts here.. first it was uptime, then it was operations and now it's features... And what about those web based IRC solutions? They are even easier to use than slack, have combined history, file sharing, etc.
  - mewpmewp2 6y ago
    They are moving the goalposts because there are several and ultimately very many reasons why IRC won't work, they just didn't bother to think of all the reasons and list them at once.
    - welterde 6y ago
      Ultimately there is only one reason that matters: The person in charge of deciding what communication channel to use likes Slack/Teams/IRC/whatever. Add to that the SaaS propaganda that hosting literally anything yourself is just too hard (it really isn't). Or this notion people are just too stupid to deal with anything more than the simplest possible web interface - Really? what do those people even do? Stare at Notepad all day? Of course not. They stare at various complicated software packages ranging from CAD, $spreadsheet abominations, SAP to various Adobe software packages. Sprinkle in a bit of hype for the latest new thing and presto.. </rant>
- erikbye 6y ago
  > Reality check: Most people don't use email programs anymore. Guess you are not in enterprise.
eropple 6y ago
I'd bet hard money that within epsilon of anyone using a desktop email client in 2020, and thus having one to set up in the first place...is in an organization with access to Microsoft Teams.

dheera 6y ago

> your email program Reality check: Most people don't use email programs anymore. Also how do you get IRC to sync all conversation data, history, between your several desktops and phones, how do you send files, make calls, and thread conversations?

welterde 6y ago
But clearly no one is saying that email is too hard to use and we should just use $something_else (or are they?). And you are starting to move goalposts here.. first it was uptime, then it was operations and now it's features... And what about those web based IRC solutions? They are even easier to use than slack, have combined history, file sharing, etc.
- mewpmewp2 6y ago
  They are moving the goalposts because there are several and ultimately very many reasons why IRC won't work, they just didn't bother to think of all the reasons and list them at once.
  - welterde 6y ago
    Ultimately there is only one reason that matters: The person in charge of deciding what communication channel to use likes Slack/Teams/IRC/whatever. Add to that the SaaS propaganda that hosting literally anything yourself is just too hard (it really isn't). Or this notion people are just too stupid to deal with anything more than the simplest possible web interface - Really? what do those people even do? Stare at Notepad all day? Of course not. They stare at various complicated software packages ranging from CAD, $spreadsheet abominations, SAP to various Adobe software packages. Sprinkle in a bit of hype for the latest new thing and presto.. </rant>
erikbye 6y ago
> Reality check: Most people don't use email programs anymore. Guess you are not in enterprise.

eropple 6y ago

I'd bet hard money that within epsilon of anyone using a desktop email client in 2020, and thus having one to set up in the first place...is in an organization with access to Microsoft Teams.