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No, what I'm talking about is the decriminalization of homosexuality. They would have been arrested and been harassed by the police for the rest of their lives.

by konjin 6y ago

No, what I'm talking about is the decriminalization of homosexuality. They would have been arrested and been harassed by the police for the rest of their lives. The Turkish bath orgies would have never happened reducing the r0 of hiv. There is a reason why the infection rate for homosexuals in SF and NY was more than double that for the rest of the country[0]. Good policy is often not ethical policy. Now if you think that millions dying for your ethics is a worth while trade that is a different discussion. [0]https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5021a2.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5021a2.htm

mariodiana 6y ago
> The Turkish bath orgies would have never happened […] Are you sure? There's a line of thinking that I'll paraphrase here. I'm a heterosexual man. Do you know what keeps me from enjoying more casual sex with varied partners? Women. If women were more like men, I'd be meeting them in Turkish baths. I want to raise the possibility that what curtailed Turkish baths was not the decriminalization of homosexuality but the advent of AIDS itself. That put the kibosh on the Studio 54, Days of Disco party. What we saw was the Sexual Revolution's "free love" ethic brought to life by men unrestrained by the reservations of women. AIDS put the damper on that. I say the above without moral judgment. I'm just saying.
- claudiawerner 6y ago
  >Do you know what keeps me from enjoying more casual sex with varied partners? Women. If women were more like men, I'd be meeting them in Turkish baths. Can you explain this reasoning further? I'm not sure if I understand.
dyslexit 6y ago
Your reasoning is really absurd. You're saying homosexuality should have remained criminalized... and if that had been so people would not have been having gay sex.. and a rising epidemic would have been entirely avoided. Furthermore, you believe the gay population who died from it regretted being gay on their deathbeds? You don't see any logical leaps in any of that? Do you also think we should make a policy banning sex because it will be "good policy"? Just use in vitro fertilization to procreate. It will certainly eliminate STDs.
- konjin 6y ago
  >Do you also think we should make a policy banning sex because it will be "good policy"? Just use in vitro fertilization to procreate. It will certainly eliminate STDs. Makes as much sense as closing down the economy over a virus with a >98.5% survival rate.

by konjin 6y ago

mariodiana 6y ago

> The Turkish bath orgies would have never happened […] Are you sure? There's a line of thinking that I'll paraphrase here. I'm a heterosexual man. Do you know what keeps me from enjoying more casual sex with varied partners? Women. If women were more like men, I'd be meeting them in Turkish baths. I want to raise the possibility that what curtailed Turkish baths was not the decriminalization of homosexuality but the advent of AIDS itself. That put the kibosh on the Studio 54, Days of Disco party. What we saw was the Sexual Revolution's "free love" ethic brought to life by men unrestrained by the reservations of women. AIDS put the damper on that. I say the above without moral judgment. I'm just saying.

claudiawerner 6y ago
>Do you know what keeps me from enjoying more casual sex with varied partners? Women. If women were more like men, I'd be meeting them in Turkish baths. Can you explain this reasoning further? I'm not sure if I understand.

dyslexit 6y ago

Your reasoning is really absurd. You're saying homosexuality should have remained criminalized... and if that had been so people would not have been having gay sex.. and a rising epidemic would have been entirely avoided. Furthermore, you believe the gay population who died from it regretted being gay on their deathbeds? You don't see any logical leaps in any of that? Do you also think we should make a policy banning sex because it will be "good policy"? Just use in vitro fertilization to procreate. It will certainly eliminate STDs.

konjin 6y ago
>Do you also think we should make a policy banning sex because it will be "good policy"? Just use in vitro fertilization to procreate. It will certainly eliminate STDs. Makes as much sense as closing down the economy over a virus with a >98.5% survival rate.