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Uncountable seeds of friendship and love never take root, due to meeting people being banned. Untold numbers of ideas and plans never made between entrepreneurs

Uncountable seeds of friendship and love never take root, due to meeting people being banned. Untold numbers of ideas and plans never made between entrepreneurs. All due to people with power over government arms or mass media being caught up in a mass hysteria. Governments will print money Weimar-style to fund their debts and liabilities in the 2020s, as they kill commerce and free life. In my country we were spared from lockdowns or restrictions until recently - and compared to how friends in Germany, Hungary, Denmark, etc live it’s such a relief. Still no more people have died here last year than on average - 90k deaths/year as usual [0] [1] [0] http://www.scb.se/om-scb/nyheter-och-pressmeddelanden/overdodligheten-i-sverige-har-foljts-av-underdodlighet/ http://www.scb.se/om-scb/nyheter-och-pressmeddelanden/overdo... [1] http://www.scb.se/hitta-statistik/sverige-i-siffror/manniskorna-i-sverige/doda-i-sverige/ http://www.scb.se/hitta-statistik/sverige-i-siffror/mannisko...

djsumdog 6y ago
By closing businesses and shutting down the means of people to provide for themselves, governments are also forcing people to depend on handouts. Printing money without increasing value will not last. It has already damaged our economy and made us dependent on states that have not shutdown (some with terrible human rights violations like the CCP government). It should be clear it's a means of control, used as an excuse by World Economics Form to continue with their plans for debt reset (only for certain people of course; Bezos and Gates won't have their wealth affected to devalued, just everyone under a certain income range). I agree. This is insane and it bothers me few people on HN see it as such. There is no room for discussion on this forum for the true weight and reality of what we are seeing unfold.
flagrant 6y ago
The citations do not support what you say. Citation [0] says only that excess mortality in specifically the third quarter of 2020 was not higher than previous years. It says nothing about the excess deaths for all of 2020. Citation [1] is data for 2019, before COVID-19. Why did you cite these articles and pretend they say something they don't?
- jeofken 6y ago
  In [0] it states that 2020 is an average year in deaths, but only writes exact numbers for different quarters. In [1] it shows averages for the previous years in numbers summing while years up. I’m getting HTTP error 500 (iOS safari from a Swedish domestic IP) when going to the statistics database - idk if it’s just me or if they deployed something buggy recently. Can therefore only find articles atm, but they are still from the government statistics bureau source. The first paragraph of [0] says “Den ökande spridningen av coronaviruset i samhället syns ännu inte i antalet dödsfall i Sverige, visar preliminär statistik från SCB” which is English is “The growing spread of Coronavirus in the community is not yet showing any change in the number of deaths in Sweden, shows preliminary statistics from the (government) central bureau of statistics” and I think that states it rather clear. I do believe you argue in good faith though and welcome corrections - although I still believe in principle it is not right to hinder free people from living free.
  - flagrant 6y ago
    > In [0] it states that 2020 is an average year in deaths It does not. > In [1] it shows averages for the previous years in numbers summing while years up. This still has no relation to deaths in the year 2020. You cannot tell anything about deaths caused by coronavirus from data that only goes up to 2019. > "The growing spread of Coronavirus in the community is not year showed any change in the number of deaths in Sweden" My translation is "The increasing spread of the coronavirus in society is not yet visible in the number of deaths in Sweden", meaning, "there may be more coronavirus cases than we can tell from just looking at deaths". A significantly different meaning to "coronavirus did not cause any change in number of deaths", which is in any case flatly contradicted by the same article which describes increases in excess deaths in the second quarter. For what it's worth, I am willing to believe that despite the massive increase in excess deaths in the second quarter, it could be offset by reductions in excess deaths in other quarters. So if you do have data that specifically compares excess deaths for the last few years feel free to share it. Currently you haven't got anything to support your statement.
    - jeofken 6y ago

djsumdog 6y ago

By closing businesses and shutting down the means of people to provide for themselves, governments are also forcing people to depend on handouts. Printing money without increasing value will not last. It has already damaged our economy and made us dependent on states that have not shutdown (some with terrible human rights violations like the CCP government). It should be clear it's a means of control, used as an excuse by World Economics Form to continue with their plans for debt reset (only for certain people of course; Bezos and Gates won't have their wealth affected to devalued, just everyone under a certain income range). I agree. This is insane and it bothers me few people on HN see it as such. There is no room for discussion on this forum for the true weight and reality of what we are seeing unfold.

flagrant 6y ago

The citations do not support what you say. Citation [0] says only that excess mortality in specifically the third quarter of 2020 was not higher than previous years. It says nothing about the excess deaths for all of 2020. Citation [1] is data for 2019, before COVID-19. Why did you cite these articles and pretend they say something they don't?

jeofken 6y ago
In [0] it states that 2020 is an average year in deaths, but only writes exact numbers for different quarters. In [1] it shows averages for the previous years in numbers summing while years up. I’m getting HTTP error 500 (iOS safari from a Swedish domestic IP) when going to the statistics database - idk if it’s just me or if they deployed something buggy recently. Can therefore only find articles atm, but they are still from the government statistics bureau source. The first paragraph of [0] says “Den ökande spridningen av coronaviruset i samhället syns ännu inte i antalet dödsfall i Sverige, visar preliminär statistik från SCB” which is English is “The growing spread of Coronavirus in the community is not yet showing any change in the number of deaths in Sweden, shows preliminary statistics from the (government) central bureau of statistics” and I think that states it rather clear. I do believe you argue in good faith though and welcome corrections - although I still believe in principle it is not right to hinder free people from living free.
- flagrant 6y ago
  > In [0] it states that 2020 is an average year in deaths It does not. > In [1] it shows averages for the previous years in numbers summing while years up. This still has no relation to deaths in the year 2020. You cannot tell anything about deaths caused by coronavirus from data that only goes up to 2019. > "The growing spread of Coronavirus in the community is not year showed any change in the number of deaths in Sweden" My translation is "The increasing spread of the coronavirus in society is not yet visible in the number of deaths in Sweden", meaning, "there may be more coronavirus cases than we can tell from just looking at deaths". A significantly different meaning to "coronavirus did not cause any change in number of deaths", which is in any case flatly contradicted by the same article which describes increases in excess deaths in the second quarter. For what it's worth, I am willing to believe that despite the massive increase in excess deaths in the second quarter, it could be offset by reductions in excess deaths in other quarters. So if you do have data that specifically compares excess deaths for the last few years feel free to share it. Currently you haven't got anything to support your statement.
  - jeofken 6y ago