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The last sentence sounds like many politicians in my state if Oregon. Voters are to dumb to be able to vote. Point in case the voters of Oregon have multiple ti

The last sentence sounds like many politicians in my state if Oregon. Voters are to dumb to be able to vote. Point in case the voters of Oregon have multiple times voted (overwhelmingly) to not issue driver’s licenses to illegal aliens. The legislature this year voted to give illegal aliens driver’s licenses. Is this not a prime example of tyranny?

macintux 6y ago
It’s a prime example of a republic instead of a true democracy. Tyranny would be if you couldn’t vote them out of office.
- roamerz 6y ago
  I do agree with that however if you truly represent the citizens why would you vote for something that is demonstrably contrary to their will? Granted they probably are counting on that by election time this particular vote may be forgotten or outweighed by other factors. Probably more disingenuous than tyrannical but still..
  - macintux 6y ago
    This question has been discussed for hundreds of years. “Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays instead of serving you if he sacrifices it to your opinion.”—Edmund Burke
triceratops 6y ago
> Point in case the voters of Oregon have multiple times voted to not issue driver’s licenses to illegal aliens. I don't understand why. Licensed or not, they're going to drive. If they're in the country illegally, they're not gonna care they're driving illegally. Isn't it safer for others on the road if they're made to take the appropriate tests and have insurance like everyone else? If you're involved in an accident with an undocumented person, isn't it better to be able to get their insurance information? In this case, I think the voters really are being dumb. Or they're being fed a pack of lies, such as getting driver's licenses will make undocumented aliens eligible for other benefits. Maybe these legislators are able to see both sides of the issue and believe that giving driver's licenses will be a net benefit to their constituents. Even if those constituents don't realize it themselves.
wbsss4412 6y ago
The will of the people isn’t static, in 2012 Oregon voters rejected marijuana legalization, only to approve it in 2014. Is it your position that once there is a referendum it can’t be revisited by the legislature at a later date? The last driver’s license initiate was voted on six years ago. Also, there’s nothing stopping another initiative campaign to repeal the law. If the people voted it repeal it, it would be repealed. That doesn’t sound like tyranny at all.

macintux 6y ago

It’s a prime example of a republic instead of a true democracy. Tyranny would be if you couldn’t vote them out of office.

roamerz 6y ago
I do agree with that however if you truly represent the citizens why would you vote for something that is demonstrably contrary to their will? Granted they probably are counting on that by election time this particular vote may be forgotten or outweighed by other factors. Probably more disingenuous than tyrannical but still..
- macintux 6y ago
  This question has been discussed for hundreds of years. “Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays instead of serving you if he sacrifices it to your opinion.”—Edmund Burke

triceratops 6y ago

> Point in case the voters of Oregon have multiple times voted to not issue driver’s licenses to illegal aliens. I don't understand why. Licensed or not, they're going to drive. If they're in the country illegally, they're not gonna care they're driving illegally. Isn't it safer for others on the road if they're made to take the appropriate tests and have insurance like everyone else? If you're involved in an accident with an undocumented person, isn't it better to be able to get their insurance information? In this case, I think the voters really are being dumb. Or they're being fed a pack of lies, such as getting driver's licenses will make undocumented aliens eligible for other benefits. Maybe these legislators are able to see both sides of the issue and believe that giving driver's licenses will be a net benefit to their constituents. Even if those constituents don't realize it themselves.

wbsss4412 6y ago

The will of the people isn’t static, in 2012 Oregon voters rejected marijuana legalization, only to approve it in 2014. Is it your position that once there is a referendum it can’t be revisited by the legislature at a later date? The last driver’s license initiate was voted on six years ago. Also, there’s nothing stopping another initiative campaign to repeal the law. If the people voted it repeal it, it would be repealed. That doesn’t sound like tyranny at all.