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You bring up a good point, however, which is that we _could_ use open source, non-centralized alternatives for many of the online products we consume, but we ch

You bring up a good point, however, which is that we _could_ use open source, non-centralized alternatives for many of the online products we consume, but we choose not to, and so we increasingly become slaves to corporations that actively seek to narrow our choices. Another example of this is the push from big sites like Reddit to use their apps rather than just use a browser - it’s not about functionality, it’s about destroying the free and open web.

ende 6y ago
Or, or... and bear with me here... or, packaged click-button solutions with paid (contractually obligated) dedicated product support is a better use of our short time, more often than not.
- nix23 6y ago
  >support is a better use of our short time, more often than not Not when it's down.
  - thewebcount 6y ago
    Which open source solutions never go down?
    - nix23 6y ago
      The one solution with PLANED downtime.
    - megous 6y ago
      Everything goes down. But it looks like huge complicated distributed services shared by huge amounts of people, that are continuously updated and developed, and are constantly trying to attract more users/load, seem to go down more than a simple service on a simple server. No hard data though. My mail server only ever went down when I upgraded the server and didn't check that everything was still working right away, or similar maintenance induced incidents. It never went down by itself. Such systems only ever go down unpredictably on HW issues, or when overloaded/out of resources. Neither is very likely, because you're not trying to grow your service in any sense similar to VC backed enterprises. Most of the time it has constant very low load and resource use. And you can simply stop introducing changes to the system if you need more stability for some time. (stop updating, for example)
- megous 6y ago
  That only works if you only need to use Slack alone or whatever. The moment you have to use more of these annoying services at once and manage N different stupid client apps for Y different platforms (desktop/mobile), the lack of open/shared protocol becomes a major issue. Let alone if you want to use them on emerging mobile OSes that are not a hellhole of data thievery.
thewebcount 6y ago
> You bring up a good point, however, which is that we _could_ use open source, non-centralized alternatives for many of the online products we consume, but we choose not to, and so we increasingly become slaves to corporations that actively seek to narrow our choices. That doesn't happen for no reason. The vast majority of open source products I've used have terrible usability. I simply don't want to use them. I don't want to be beholden to corporations and walled gardens, but for me, the existing alternatives are worse in too many ways.

ende 6y ago

Or, or... and bear with me here... or, packaged click-button solutions with paid (contractually obligated) dedicated product support is a better use of our short time, more often than not.

nix23 6y ago
>support is a better use of our short time, more often than not Not when it's down.
- thewebcount 6y ago
  Which open source solutions never go down?
  - nix23 6y ago
    The one solution with PLANED downtime.
  - megous 6y ago
    Everything goes down. But it looks like huge complicated distributed services shared by huge amounts of people, that are continuously updated and developed, and are constantly trying to attract more users/load, seem to go down more than a simple service on a simple server. No hard data though. My mail server only ever went down when I upgraded the server and didn't check that everything was still working right away, or similar maintenance induced incidents. It never went down by itself. Such systems only ever go down unpredictably on HW issues, or when overloaded/out of resources. Neither is very likely, because you're not trying to grow your service in any sense similar to VC backed enterprises. Most of the time it has constant very low load and resource use. And you can simply stop introducing changes to the system if you need more stability for some time. (stop updating, for example)
megous 6y ago
That only works if you only need to use Slack alone or whatever. The moment you have to use more of these annoying services at once and manage N different stupid client apps for Y different platforms (desktop/mobile), the lack of open/shared protocol becomes a major issue. Let alone if you want to use them on emerging mobile OSes that are not a hellhole of data thievery.

thewebcount 6y ago

> You bring up a good point, however, which is that we _could_ use open source, non-centralized alternatives for many of the online products we consume, but we choose not to, and so we increasingly become slaves to corporations that actively seek to narrow our choices. That doesn't happen for no reason. The vast majority of open source products I've used have terrible usability. I simply don't want to use them. I don't want to be beholden to corporations and walled gardens, but for me, the existing alternatives are worse in too many ways.