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Fine, semantics aside, the federal government is in a unique position to distribute vaccines and testing supplies and PPE with a higher efficiency coefficient t

Fine, semantics aside, the federal government is in a unique position to distribute vaccines and testing supplies and PPE with a higher efficiency coefficient than the collection of the states and territories individually. There are people arguing against this in this very thread. In generally, sure the states shouldn't rely on the fed to do everything. In this case it's better for the states to let the fed handle this. If not, why not?

vorpalhex 6y ago
Well, we only need to look at the last time there was a mass vaccination drive. New York City had a smallpox outbreak and administered millions of doses in record time. https://twitter.com/MarkLevineNYC/status/1345407042769580032 https://twitter.com/MarkLevineNYC/status/1345407042769580032 The city was able to mobilize hundreds to thousands of distribution points, call up city workers (who the Fed has no power over) and run vaccine administration 24/7. The state knows more about their interior, they have more resources on the ground and more control over schools and other public buildings (libraries, community centers, etc), more ability to use private businesses if needed, and control the local health infrastructure.
- IgorPartola 6y ago
  Did the whole country have a smallpox outbreak? No? So it sounds like it was localized to one state. The point is that this is a nation-wide problem, and the federal government is in a unique position to be the most efficient at handling production and distribution of vaccine/testing supplies/PPE. What exactly is your argument around why it should have little or no role? There is a shortage of these things and production happens in a few centralized places. It makes sense that one centralized entity coordinate the production and distribution. What is the problem with that? Please show your work on how 50 states plus territories would handle it better.
  - bhupy 6y ago
    > It makes sense that one centralized entity coordinate the production and distribution Centralized planning can work, but when it doesn't work, it's disastrous for everyone. Decentralized systems trade off a little bit of hypothetical efficiency (again, it depends on the central planner being competent) in return for guaranteed antifragility. If what you're saying is accurate, then we really ought to have a global government (say, the UN) coordinate distribution across the entire planet. Countries like Israel, Taiwan, New Zealand, and Singapore shouldn't be allowed to set up their own distribution systems, rather they should all play into the same globally centralized distribution system. It's a global pandemic after all, right?
    - IgorPartola 6y ago
      How. The. Fuck. Is. This. So. Difficult? We are in a pandemic. How we handle this does not change how we govern ourselves outside of a pandemic. It doesn't even change how we govern ourselves during a pandemic. We aren't talking about forming a world government. We aren't talking about expanding the federal government's powers. We aren't talking about Hunter Biden, the pee tape, the impeachment, chem trails, or mega churches. Put that out of your mind. Try to think like this isn't US politics because that's clearly clouding your judgement. A centralized entity coordinating a nation-wide effort to distribute the vaccine, testing supplies, and PPE is normal. What exactly would go wrong there that the states couldn't mess up. By your logic, the FDA and the CDC shouldn't have been approving the vaccines. It should be left up to each state, no? Because what if the FDA got it wrong. Better let 50*2 smaller, less well funded agencies decide individually than one well funded agency, right? How could the states possibly do better than a national strategy for handling the pandemic. Note: national strategy != central government. National strategy does not expand any powers. The federal government already has all the powers it needs. No new laws would need to be passed. No new powers granted. It's literally using the resources already there for what they are meant to be used for: responding to an emergency. Why do you thing agencies like FEMA exist? I'm done with this topic because it really seems there is a number of people here willing to bend over backwards and give themselves a cranial colonoscopy just to not blame the current admin for its utter failure to do its most basic job. If you really think this is going better than the ebola outbreak, a disease much deadlier and more contagious than COVID, then I can't do anything to pull you out of your alternative reality. That is on you.

vorpalhex 6y ago

Well, we only need to look at the last time there was a mass vaccination drive. New York City had a smallpox outbreak and administered millions of doses in record time. https://twitter.com/MarkLevineNYC/status/1345407042769580032 https://twitter.com/MarkLevineNYC/status/1345407042769580032 The city was able to mobilize hundreds to thousands of distribution points, call up city workers (who the Fed has no power over) and run vaccine administration 24/7. The state knows more about their interior, they have more resources on the ground and more control over schools and other public buildings (libraries, community centers, etc), more ability to use private businesses if needed, and control the local health infrastructure.

IgorPartola 6y ago
Did the whole country have a smallpox outbreak? No? So it sounds like it was localized to one state. The point is that this is a nation-wide problem, and the federal government is in a unique position to be the most efficient at handling production and distribution of vaccine/testing supplies/PPE. What exactly is your argument around why it should have little or no role? There is a shortage of these things and production happens in a few centralized places. It makes sense that one centralized entity coordinate the production and distribution. What is the problem with that? Please show your work on how 50 states plus territories would handle it better.
- bhupy 6y ago
  > It makes sense that one centralized entity coordinate the production and distribution Centralized planning can work, but when it doesn't work, it's disastrous for everyone. Decentralized systems trade off a little bit of hypothetical efficiency (again, it depends on the central planner being competent) in return for guaranteed antifragility. If what you're saying is accurate, then we really ought to have a global government (say, the UN) coordinate distribution across the entire planet. Countries like Israel, Taiwan, New Zealand, and Singapore shouldn't be allowed to set up their own distribution systems, rather they should all play into the same globally centralized distribution system. It's a global pandemic after all, right?
  - IgorPartola 6y ago
    How. The. Fuck. Is. This. So. Difficult? We are in a pandemic. How we handle this does not change how we govern ourselves outside of a pandemic. It doesn't even change how we govern ourselves during a pandemic. We aren't talking about forming a world government. We aren't talking about expanding the federal government's powers. We aren't talking about Hunter Biden, the pee tape, the impeachment, chem trails, or mega churches. Put that out of your mind. Try to think like this isn't US politics because that's clearly clouding your judgement. A centralized entity coordinating a nation-wide effort to distribute the vaccine, testing supplies, and PPE is normal. What exactly would go wrong there that the states couldn't mess up. By your logic, the FDA and the CDC shouldn't have been approving the vaccines. It should be left up to each state, no? Because what if the FDA got it wrong. Better let 50*2 smaller, less well funded agencies decide individually than one well funded agency, right? How could the states possibly do better than a national strategy for handling the pandemic. Note: national strategy != central government. National strategy does not expand any powers. The federal government already has all the powers it needs. No new laws would need to be passed. No new powers granted. It's literally using the resources already there for what they are meant to be used for: responding to an emergency. Why do you thing agencies like FEMA exist? I'm done with this topic because it really seems there is a number of people here willing to bend over backwards and give themselves a cranial colonoscopy just to not blame the current admin for its utter failure to do its most basic job. If you really think this is going better than the ebola outbreak, a disease much deadlier and more contagious than COVID, then I can't do anything to pull you out of your alternative reality. That is on you.