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Maybe my DevOps folks should not be privy to all internal communications? That is one reason we did not go with Mattermost.

arpa 6y ago
If you do not trust your own devops, why are you trusting someone elses devops?
- toomuchtodo 6y ago
  Low maturity risk management functions.
- lostcolony 6y ago
  Because someone else's devops can't use it against you institutionally. Nor is going to insist on having an opinion on things that they're unaffected by. This isn't a slam at devops, it's about the need for institutional information hiding; not everyone needs to know about and weigh in on every decision being made.
- ericbarrett 6y ago
  It's just due diligence. Think of what you have access to if you have "god mode" on corporate chat: HR, the CFO's DMs, private messages between other coworkers, and so on. Most won't fall for this temptation, but even those with strong anti-spying morals can be weakened by circumstances. Best to remove the temptation by design.
- Spivak 6y ago
  We structure our company similarly. With effort DevOps is god on everything except HR, Sales, Finance, Chat, and C-level management which are operated with 3rd party services controlled by the individual departments and "owned/managed" by the C-suite.
Jolter 6y ago
Devops should have nothing to do with your chat server. It should be your IT department, just as with the email server.
- Spivak 6y ago
  DevOps at a lot of small companies also manage the internal IT stack and sometimes even take on most of the IT duties. Once you get larger you start having "IT" as something separate from DevOps but with the actual infrastructure managed by operations. Once you're really big the teams are truly separate and IT owns their own infra.
trastknast 6y ago
Slack won’t protect you from this as it’s possible for admins to export even private DMs. https://www.nbcnews.com/better/business/slack-updates-privacy-policy-employers-can-read-private-dms-without-ncna862811 https://www.nbcnews.com/better/business/slack-updates-privac...
- Hnrobert42 6y ago
  Only Slack Workspace Owners can export, not Slack Admins.
- daniellarusso 6y ago
  You also have to be on the ‘Plus’ plan, otherwise it is a roach motel.

arpa 6y ago

If you do not trust your own devops, why are you trusting someone elses devops?

toomuchtodo 6y ago
Low maturity risk management functions.
lostcolony 6y ago
Because someone else's devops can't use it against you institutionally. Nor is going to insist on having an opinion on things that they're unaffected by. This isn't a slam at devops, it's about the need for institutional information hiding; not everyone needs to know about and weigh in on every decision being made.
ericbarrett 6y ago
It's just due diligence. Think of what you have access to if you have "god mode" on corporate chat: HR, the CFO's DMs, private messages between other coworkers, and so on. Most won't fall for this temptation, but even those with strong anti-spying morals can be weakened by circumstances. Best to remove the temptation by design.
Spivak 6y ago
We structure our company similarly. With effort DevOps is god on everything except HR, Sales, Finance, Chat, and C-level management which are operated with 3rd party services controlled by the individual departments and "owned/managed" by the C-suite.

Jolter 6y ago

Devops should have nothing to do with your chat server. It should be your IT department, just as with the email server.

Spivak 6y ago
DevOps at a lot of small companies also manage the internal IT stack and sometimes even take on most of the IT duties. Once you get larger you start having "IT" as something separate from DevOps but with the actual infrastructure managed by operations. Once you're really big the teams are truly separate and IT owns their own infra.

trastknast 6y ago

Slack won’t protect you from this as it’s possible for admins to export even private DMs. https://www.nbcnews.com/better/business/slack-updates-privacy-policy-employers-can-read-private-dms-without-ncna862811 https://www.nbcnews.com/better/business/slack-updates-privac...

Hnrobert42 6y ago
Only Slack Workspace Owners can export, not Slack Admins.
daniellarusso 6y ago
You also have to be on the ‘Plus’ plan, otherwise it is a roach motel.