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It's not remotely comparable. You can test seat belts with crash dummies. It's a clear experiment, and yes, people should have been skeptical of seat belts unti

It's not remotely comparable. You can test seat belts with crash dummies. It's a clear experiment, and yes, people should have been skeptical of seat belts until they were proven to be effective. Auto companies were pushing against seat-belts and safety. Today big industry is pushing for lockdowns (and we should question those motives). It's a bad argument. There are literally thousands of people in the Great Barrington Declaration, who have sound arguments for ending lockdowns. We can literally look at the numbers across the globe from different policies in different countries and see there is no direct correlational between any government action and fatalities. Correlation isn't causation, but we DO NOT even have correlation! Scientists and doctors are saying we need to end this mass hysteria. We should listen to all the experts, not only the ones we agree with.

IgorPartola 6y ago
> Scientists and doctors are saying we need to end this mass hysteria. We should listen to all the experts, not only the ones we agree with. To quote Wikipedia, citation needed. And please don't like to a YouTube/Facebook/Instagram whatever of someone in a white coat. I have not seen this from anyone with any reasonable credentials.
- djsumdog 6y ago
  The Great Barrington Declaration: https://gbdeclaration.org/ https://gbdeclaration.org/ Signed by literally thousands of experts, doctors and virologists.
  - djsumdog 6y ago
    In addition, early on we had statements from two front-line doctors in Bakersfield which were pulled from YouTube: https://www.turnto23.com/news/coronavirus/video-interview-with-dr-dan-erickson-and-dr-artin-massihi-taken-down-from-youtube https://www.turnto23.com/news/coronavirus/video-interview-wi... and we had professor Karol Sikora, who former ally worked at the WHO, discuss what he saw in his on oncology clinic (also censored on YouTube)" https://unherd.com/thepost/professor-karol-sikora-fear-is-more-dangerous-than-the-virus/ https://unherd.com/thepost/professor-karol-sikora-fear-is-mo...
  - IgorPartola 6y ago
    I was just able to sign it as a medical professional. I am not one. Literally nothing on that site is verified. I keep seeing you quote things in this thread related to this site, which as far as I can tell has zero authenticity, and to random YouTube videos. Hint: if a doctor or researcher can only publish their findings on YouTube/Facebook/Instagram, they don't have anything worthwhile to say.
    - djsumdog 6y ago
      Alright, so lets not look at the signers, let's look at the clearly listed authors on that page: > Dr. Martin Kulldorff, professor of medicine at Harvard University, a biostatistician, and epidemiologist > Dr. Sunetra Gupta, professor at Oxford University, an epidemiologist with expertise in immunology, vaccine development > Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, professor at Stanford University Medical School, a physician, epidemiologist, health economist, and public health policy expert > Dr. Alexander Walker, principal at World Health Information Science Consultants, former Chair of Epidemiology, Harvard TH Chan School of Public Health Some of these people have done interviews too. You can go look them up on major news programs. > Hint: if a doctor or researcher can only publish their findings on YouTube/Facebook/Instagram, they don't have anything worthwhile to say We're talking about an ongoing crisis where we see clear censorship in media, big tech and academic publications. People are basing world changing decisions off pre-prints and pre-pubs. Does it really matter where a doctor or researcher publishes their views so long as it is a real doctor or researcher? Why does the platform make their opinion invalid?
      - IgorPartola 6y ago
        I repeat, I was just able to use a fake name to sign that document. Nothing prevents anyone from signing it as any of those people. Just for giggles, I just literally signed it a second time as "Dr. DJ Sumdog, PhD, associate professor at Hacker News". Check your email to complete the process. Furthermore, the people you listed above have been found to have conflicts of interest regarding this declaration. The medical and public health communities have soundly rejected this declaration. This declaration makes no sense if you examine it with any kind of critical eye. Start with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Barrington_Declaration#Reception https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Barrington_Declaration#R... and from there check the linked sources. There is no censorship in the media regarding medical research of COVID-19. There is fact checking. Just because you believe something that is false and the media isn't reporting that falsehood as fact does not mean the media is censoring you. It means it's false. Occam's Razor will quickly tell you that the chances of a global conspiracy are much lower than the chances of what you are saying here being false. Think about just how many people would have to know about this conspiracy and all of them would keep it perfectly secret. Every news organization in the world would have to collectively conspire to keep the truth from us, right? Every journalist, every editor, every publisher, every news anchor, every weatherman, every sportscaster, every public official. Do you know how quickly that would unravel? I know it's easy to believe a conspiracy because it's so appealing but it's just not what is going on. The platform is an indirect indication: if the scientific community rejects your hypothesis, it's most likely because your hypothesis is bullshit. Think critically for a moment the way they taught in you middle school and realize that what you are quoting are unverified unreliable sources and fringe ideas. If you were saying that drinking motor oil cures COVID you'd have about as much credibility. I am done trying to argue with you because you are not worth arguing about, but I do beg you to use your head and think instead of falling for every damn hoax out there like you seem to have. Happy New Year and stay safe.

IgorPartola 6y ago

> Scientists and doctors are saying we need to end this mass hysteria. We should listen to all the experts, not only the ones we agree with. To quote Wikipedia, citation needed. And please don't like to a YouTube/Facebook/Instagram whatever of someone in a white coat. I have not seen this from anyone with any reasonable credentials.

djsumdog 6y ago
The Great Barrington Declaration: https://gbdeclaration.org/ https://gbdeclaration.org/ Signed by literally thousands of experts, doctors and virologists.
- djsumdog 6y ago
  In addition, early on we had statements from two front-line doctors in Bakersfield which were pulled from YouTube: https://www.turnto23.com/news/coronavirus/video-interview-with-dr-dan-erickson-and-dr-artin-massihi-taken-down-from-youtube https://www.turnto23.com/news/coronavirus/video-interview-wi... and we had professor Karol Sikora, who former ally worked at the WHO, discuss what he saw in his on oncology clinic (also censored on YouTube)" https://unherd.com/thepost/professor-karol-sikora-fear-is-more-dangerous-than-the-virus/ https://unherd.com/thepost/professor-karol-sikora-fear-is-mo...
- IgorPartola 6y ago
  I was just able to sign it as a medical professional. I am not one. Literally nothing on that site is verified. I keep seeing you quote things in this thread related to this site, which as far as I can tell has zero authenticity, and to random YouTube videos. Hint: if a doctor or researcher can only publish their findings on YouTube/Facebook/Instagram, they don't have anything worthwhile to say.
  - djsumdog 6y ago
    Alright, so lets not look at the signers, let's look at the clearly listed authors on that page: > Dr. Martin Kulldorff, professor of medicine at Harvard University, a biostatistician, and epidemiologist > Dr. Sunetra Gupta, professor at Oxford University, an epidemiologist with expertise in immunology, vaccine development > Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, professor at Stanford University Medical School, a physician, epidemiologist, health economist, and public health policy expert > Dr. Alexander Walker, principal at World Health Information Science Consultants, former Chair of Epidemiology, Harvard TH Chan School of Public Health Some of these people have done interviews too. You can go look them up on major news programs. > Hint: if a doctor or researcher can only publish their findings on YouTube/Facebook/Instagram, they don't have anything worthwhile to say We're talking about an ongoing crisis where we see clear censorship in media, big tech and academic publications. People are basing world changing decisions off pre-prints and pre-pubs. Does it really matter where a doctor or researcher publishes their views so long as it is a real doctor or researcher? Why does the platform make their opinion invalid?
    - IgorPartola 6y ago
      I repeat, I was just able to use a fake name to sign that document. Nothing prevents anyone from signing it as any of those people. Just for giggles, I just literally signed it a second time as "Dr. DJ Sumdog, PhD, associate professor at Hacker News". Check your email to complete the process. Furthermore, the people you listed above have been found to have conflicts of interest regarding this declaration. The medical and public health communities have soundly rejected this declaration. This declaration makes no sense if you examine it with any kind of critical eye. Start with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Barrington_Declaration#Reception https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Barrington_Declaration#R... and from there check the linked sources. There is no censorship in the media regarding medical research of COVID-19. There is fact checking. Just because you believe something that is false and the media isn't reporting that falsehood as fact does not mean the media is censoring you. It means it's false. Occam's Razor will quickly tell you that the chances of a global conspiracy are much lower than the chances of what you are saying here being false. Think about just how many people would have to know about this conspiracy and all of them would keep it perfectly secret. Every news organization in the world would have to collectively conspire to keep the truth from us, right? Every journalist, every editor, every publisher, every news anchor, every weatherman, every sportscaster, every public official. Do you know how quickly that would unravel? I know it's easy to believe a conspiracy because it's so appealing but it's just not what is going on. The platform is an indirect indication: if the scientific community rejects your hypothesis, it's most likely because your hypothesis is bullshit. Think critically for a moment the way they taught in you middle school and realize that what you are quoting are unverified unreliable sources and fringe ideas. If you were saying that drinking motor oil cures COVID you'd have about as much credibility. I am done trying to argue with you because you are not worth arguing about, but I do beg you to use your head and think instead of falling for every damn hoax out there like you seem to have. Happy New Year and stay safe.