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Please be sarcasm.

by acct776 6y ago

Please be sarcasm.

spoonjim 6y ago
Why? If there is no law there is no government.
- phobosanomaly 6y ago
  If there is indiscriminate use of maximal force in all situations of noncompliance with the law, then there is bad government. Bad government may be worse than no government at all.
- vagrantJin 6y ago
  You have never been in a politically unstable place. That's what local police are for. The moment you talk about tanks and fighter jets, you are talking about the military. When the state uses the military against its own people, it is bound to betray its covenant with the commonwealth. The idea of freedom and liberty is safeguarded by that covenant, that the judiciary, military and government work for the people and not against them. Im surprised you havent learned that in school seeing as your government excels at destabilizing whole nations. See Libya before and after al-Qaddafi. Who wanted him dead. Who killed him, what became of his country and who is mediating the current filth that is the once proud state of Libya.
  - BrandoElFollito 6y ago
    On the other hand, you have a country like France where squatting someone's house is ok. You are not allowed to get the squatters or and it can take years to go through courts to have them evinced. It is enough that they stay in your house for 48 hours and they are protected by the law. This is in France. A stable democratic country which puts squatters rights above the ones of owners.
    - diogenescynic 6y ago
      Same thing in America. You can break into a place and bring a tooth brush and when the cops show up just say you live there and signed a lease. Then it becomes a legal dispute and all the squatters have to do is keep changing out the squatter because it takes so long to serve and evict. It’s a nightmare to get involved in.
      - acct776 6y ago
        Right. But in a lot of states, there's a gun on the other side of that door. Toothbrush becomes a lot less of a panacea, then.
        BrandoElFollito 6y ago
        I am not sure how it works in the US: can you actively defend your house once someone is in it and you are not? What I means that there is a difference between a burglary where you are at home and defend yourself and your family (and accessorily - your belongings) -- and the case when you come back from vacation and find someone installed in your house for a few days.
        diogenescynic 6y ago
        Exactly. My grandpa died and we came back to his house a few weeks later and people were already living in it. Took over a year and a lot of energy and money to get these people out and by then they'd already stripped the house of anything of value and removed the copper from the walls and destroyed everything else in spite. If we had just stormed in guns blazing--we would have been the aggressors in the eyes of the law. Unfortunately, it seems like the laws in California protect the elites and criminals, but not normal/middle/working class people just trying to get by. You're free to shoot heroin on the steps of City Hall in SF, but god forbid you park for 20 minutes at a 15 minute meter.

Please be sarcasm.

spoonjim 6y ago

Why? If there is no law there is no government.

phobosanomaly 6y ago
If there is indiscriminate use of maximal force in all situations of noncompliance with the law, then there is bad government. Bad government may be worse than no government at all.
vagrantJin 6y ago
You have never been in a politically unstable place. That's what local police are for. The moment you talk about tanks and fighter jets, you are talking about the military. When the state uses the military against its own people, it is bound to betray its covenant with the commonwealth. The idea of freedom and liberty is safeguarded by that covenant, that the judiciary, military and government work for the people and not against them. Im surprised you havent learned that in school seeing as your government excels at destabilizing whole nations. See Libya before and after al-Qaddafi. Who wanted him dead. Who killed him, what became of his country and who is mediating the current filth that is the once proud state of Libya.
- BrandoElFollito 6y ago
  On the other hand, you have a country like France where squatting someone's house is ok. You are not allowed to get the squatters or and it can take years to go through courts to have them evinced. It is enough that they stay in your house for 48 hours and they are protected by the law. This is in France. A stable democratic country which puts squatters rights above the ones of owners.
  - diogenescynic 6y ago
    Same thing in America. You can break into a place and bring a tooth brush and when the cops show up just say you live there and signed a lease. Then it becomes a legal dispute and all the squatters have to do is keep changing out the squatter because it takes so long to serve and evict. It’s a nightmare to get involved in.
    - acct776 6y ago
      Right. But in a lot of states, there's a gun on the other side of that door. Toothbrush becomes a lot less of a panacea, then.
      - BrandoElFollito 6y ago
        I am not sure how it works in the US: can you actively defend your house once someone is in it and you are not? What I means that there is a difference between a burglary where you are at home and defend yourself and your family (and accessorily - your belongings) -- and the case when you come back from vacation and find someone installed in your house for a few days.
        diogenescynic 6y ago
        Exactly. My grandpa died and we came back to his house a few weeks later and people were already living in it. Took over a year and a lot of energy and money to get these people out and by then they'd already stripped the house of anything of value and removed the copper from the walls and destroyed everything else in spite. If we had just stormed in guns blazing--we would have been the aggressors in the eyes of the law. Unfortunately, it seems like the laws in California protect the elites and criminals, but not normal/middle/working class people just trying to get by. You're free to shoot heroin on the steps of City Hall in SF, but god forbid you park for 20 minutes at a 15 minute meter.