5 ms·

I don't need to see a negotiated contract. I need to see a list of grievances the union wants to negotiate for. So far everything I have ever wanted but not h

by bjo590 6y ago

I don't need to see a negotiated contract. I need to see a list of grievances the union wants to negotiate for. So far everything I have ever wanted but not had from an employer I was able to find by switching employers. What is something concrete that would make my life better that I can only get by joining a union?

whimsicalism 6y ago
Really spitballing, but one that comes to mind is eliminate forced private arbitration? I haven't been able to avoid that one by switching employers.
- pb7 6y ago
  Google got rid of forced arbitration recently without unions.
  - whimsicalism 6y ago
    > without unions. Conveniently omitting the 20k strong walkout. That's organizing. I hadn't heard that it was for all cases, kudos to Google. But of course that is just one example among many.
    - pb7 6y ago
      Not omitting anything. Organizing is what discontinued the DoD contracts and several other unsavory problems in recent years. That's entirely my point: employees already have the power to effect change for important issues without involving all of the problems that plague official unions like teachers' unions and police unions.
      - whimsicalism 6y ago
        I don't see what adding a body that allows you to vote on what get's done involves all of those problems. Unions are structured in a way determined by the workers who are voting, there is no inevitable path for a union to take. A teacher union is very different from an actor's union, for instance, even if they are covered by the same basic laws.
      - johncessna 6y ago
        Google is actively involved in DoD contracts. https://fcw.com/articles/2020/05/20/google-cloud-diu-williams.aspx https://fcw.com/articles/2020/05/20/google-cloud-diu-william... https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/thousands-contracts-highlight-quiet-ties-between-big-tech-u-s-n1233171 https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/thousands-contracts-h... https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/cia-awards-cloud-computing-contract-worth-billions-to-amazon-microsoft-google-ibm-and-oracle-report https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/cia-awards-cloud-comp... (Not DoD, but the US IC)
      - ProofByAccident 6y ago
        FYI: AWU is a no-contract (minority/solidarity/members) union. Their strategy for the foreseeable future will be pursuing precisely what you are describing here (organizing workers for walk-outs, without locking in a CBA).
      - IX-103 6y ago
        Yes, if they're willing to continue letting their organizers be fired afterwards for "unrelated reasons". As-is organizing each walkout has to start from scratch since the previous leadership structure no longer exists. This has allowed the management to make promises to address concerns and fail to follow through on them. Or have HR take over employee-organized community groups discussing grievances and slowly let them die.

by bjo590 6y ago

whimsicalism 6y ago

Really spitballing, but one that comes to mind is eliminate forced private arbitration? I haven't been able to avoid that one by switching employers.

pb7 6y ago
Google got rid of forced arbitration recently without unions.
- whimsicalism 6y ago
  > without unions. Conveniently omitting the 20k strong walkout. That's organizing. I hadn't heard that it was for all cases, kudos to Google. But of course that is just one example among many.
  - pb7 6y ago
    Not omitting anything. Organizing is what discontinued the DoD contracts and several other unsavory problems in recent years. That's entirely my point: employees already have the power to effect change for important issues without involving all of the problems that plague official unions like teachers' unions and police unions.
    - whimsicalism 6y ago
      I don't see what adding a body that allows you to vote on what get's done involves all of those problems. Unions are structured in a way determined by the workers who are voting, there is no inevitable path for a union to take. A teacher union is very different from an actor's union, for instance, even if they are covered by the same basic laws.
    - johncessna 6y ago
      Google is actively involved in DoD contracts. https://fcw.com/articles/2020/05/20/google-cloud-diu-williams.aspx https://fcw.com/articles/2020/05/20/google-cloud-diu-william... https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/thousands-contracts-highlight-quiet-ties-between-big-tech-u-s-n1233171 https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/thousands-contracts-h... https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/cia-awards-cloud-computing-contract-worth-billions-to-amazon-microsoft-google-ibm-and-oracle-report https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/cia-awards-cloud-comp... (Not DoD, but the US IC)
    - ProofByAccident 6y ago
      FYI: AWU is a no-contract (minority/solidarity/members) union. Their strategy for the foreseeable future will be pursuing precisely what you are describing here (organizing workers for walk-outs, without locking in a CBA).
    - IX-103 6y ago
      Yes, if they're willing to continue letting their organizers be fired afterwards for "unrelated reasons". As-is organizing each walkout has to start from scratch since the previous leadership structure no longer exists. This has allowed the management to make promises to address concerns and fail to follow through on them. Or have HR take over employee-organized community groups discussing grievances and slowly let them die.