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Most union power comes from solidarity. If the Google people feel they don’t need unions, then all other lower unions are weaker. The power comes from the indus

Most union power comes from solidarity. If the Google people feel they don’t need unions, then all other lower unions are weaker. The power comes from the industry wide union. People at small startups can stand up for something because even the Google people stand up for it. Otherwise we’re divided and carry out the dog eat dog world. Edit: To all the skeptics, look, out of all the thousands of tech companies, how but one of you just try it. Can we just try it? Like, all of you join it, and just try it out, so we can actually have one real world example to discuss in this fantasy ‘to union or not to union’ debate. I’d like to at least see one attempt, one example, that way we can all point to and say ‘oh shit, google sucks now’, or ‘oh wait, it’s still a multi billion dollar company and the world didn’t end, here are the pros and cons and the overall conclusion’. We can’t even do that because the damn thing doesn’t even really exist for any of us. This actually working out means it spreads industry wide, the implications are bigger. So could we try it? Just try, nothing more. Please? Pretty please?

lawnchair_larry 6y ago
Why would you even want to try it? Have you personally been abused in some way that you think a union would have prevented?
- runawaybottle 6y ago
  Yes. I’ve worked at places that don’t give a 401k, only 2-3 days off including the federal holidays, I’ve worked at places that don’t extend any benefits to part-time workers that reach into the 30 hour range (multi year workers), I’m pretty sure I know full time workers that don’t get health insurance at some of these places, I’ve seen corporations relegate workers to temp status via actual legislation (Uber/lyft), I read the history of human-kind of labor abuse. And this is what I’ve seen as a ‘knowledge’ worker, and was raised by blue collar workers that have seen much more. I wanted to be civil, but I just have to ask, are you fucking stupid or something?
  - lawnchair_larry 6y ago
    > Yes. I’ve worked at places that don’t give a 401k Oh wow, you’re right, that is abuse! You poor thing! > I wanted to be civil, but I have to ask, are you fucking stupid or something? I’m not offended, but it doesn’t look good when you completely fail to read the question, answer a different question, and then call the other person “fucking stupid.” It sounds like the answer to the question that I actually asked you would be “No, absolutely not.” Otherwise, you wouldn’t make the laughable suggestion that lack of a 401k is in any way abusive. And obviously the experience of blue collar workers is going to be different. This is a thread about tech companies like Google.
    - runawaybottle 6y ago
      Yeah fuck you, I’m not interested in this fight. Call it a draw. See you on the other side of the shuffle. Edit: Read the other fucking sentences in the response. I’m take the holistic approach you selfish twat. It’s not all about what happened to me. P.S - I hope we can still be friends, sincerely.

lawnchair_larry 6y ago

Why would you even want to try it? Have you personally been abused in some way that you think a union would have prevented?

runawaybottle 6y ago
Yes. I’ve worked at places that don’t give a 401k, only 2-3 days off including the federal holidays, I’ve worked at places that don’t extend any benefits to part-time workers that reach into the 30 hour range (multi year workers), I’m pretty sure I know full time workers that don’t get health insurance at some of these places, I’ve seen corporations relegate workers to temp status via actual legislation (Uber/lyft), I read the history of human-kind of labor abuse. And this is what I’ve seen as a ‘knowledge’ worker, and was raised by blue collar workers that have seen much more. I wanted to be civil, but I just have to ask, are you fucking stupid or something?
- lawnchair_larry 6y ago
  > Yes. I’ve worked at places that don’t give a 401k Oh wow, you’re right, that is abuse! You poor thing! > I wanted to be civil, but I have to ask, are you fucking stupid or something? I’m not offended, but it doesn’t look good when you completely fail to read the question, answer a different question, and then call the other person “fucking stupid.” It sounds like the answer to the question that I actually asked you would be “No, absolutely not.” Otherwise, you wouldn’t make the laughable suggestion that lack of a 401k is in any way abusive. And obviously the experience of blue collar workers is going to be different. This is a thread about tech companies like Google.
  - runawaybottle 6y ago
    Yeah fuck you, I’m not interested in this fight. Call it a draw. See you on the other side of the shuffle. Edit: Read the other fucking sentences in the response. I’m take the holistic approach you selfish twat. It’s not all about what happened to me. P.S - I hope we can still be friends, sincerely.