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That's a very risky proposition. From what I can tell from the outside, many "progressives" throw equality and freedom out of the window when it comes to voting

That's a very risky proposition. From what I can tell from the outside, many "progressives" throw equality and freedom out of the window when it comes to voting. By the tone of that article, I would not even be surprised if white males don't get to vote in that union or are excluded from influential positions.

runawaybottle 6y ago
Think of the long game. Getting a union is the hard part. The ideological fervor will change with seasons, but the core issues will remain the same across decades (the stuff workers want to be able to negotiate). Nothing is free, some price must be paid. Nothing pisses off a company more than workers organizing, so take whatever help you can get.
- dazilcher 6y ago
  Why would I want to piss off the company I choose to work for?
  - runawaybottle 6y ago
    Because now you have numbers :p Check out how the collective bargaining agreement works with the NBA Player’s union and NBA. They get pretty fair terms, led by Chris Paul/LeBron James (who have it the best but they lead the union). https://cosmic-s3.imgix.net/3c7a0a50-8e11-11e9-875d-3d44e94ae33f-2017-NBA-NBPA-Collective-Bargaining-Agreement.pdf https://cosmic-s3.imgix.net/3c7a0a50-8e11-11e9-875d-3d44e94a... ^^ I can promise you the list of things negotiated in that could never be done well enough by the company itself. Oh, and that’s a union for multi millionaires.
  - toopok4k3 6y ago
    Don't piss them off alone, piss with others and they might treat you better. You might want to think about the balance of the system. Are you actually choosing to work for them instead of the system making it look like they are the best job? Could it be better with some re-balancing?
  - ForHackernews 6y ago
    Because you can get more money, better working conditions, and guaranteed rights, and that will irritate your bosses' bosses' owners and their investors.
toopok4k3 6y ago
A lot of silly ifs you are throwing out. Maybe ask them yourself and get involved?
maxehmookau 6y ago
> I would not even be surprised if white males don't get to vote in that union or are excluded from influential positions. Good point. Traditionally white men are massively underrepresented and we should be making more of an effort to make sure they're represented at every level of tech. /s
- westmeal 6y ago
  Do you not realize that judging based on skin color was the same reason the idea of 'representation' exists? A vote should hold equal weight regardless of who you are or what you look like.
  - dahfizz 6y ago
    You want to judge people by the content of their character instead of their skin color? That's racist. /s
  - maxehmookau 6y ago
    Exactly. Except, that isn't what happens right now. Most people aren't intending to make decisions based on skin colour, yet it happens.
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runawaybottle 6y ago

Think of the long game. Getting a union is the hard part. The ideological fervor will change with seasons, but the core issues will remain the same across decades (the stuff workers want to be able to negotiate). Nothing is free, some price must be paid. Nothing pisses off a company more than workers organizing, so take whatever help you can get.

dazilcher 6y ago
Why would I want to piss off the company I choose to work for?
- runawaybottle 6y ago
  Because now you have numbers :p Check out how the collective bargaining agreement works with the NBA Player’s union and NBA. They get pretty fair terms, led by Chris Paul/LeBron James (who have it the best but they lead the union). https://cosmic-s3.imgix.net/3c7a0a50-8e11-11e9-875d-3d44e94ae33f-2017-NBA-NBPA-Collective-Bargaining-Agreement.pdf https://cosmic-s3.imgix.net/3c7a0a50-8e11-11e9-875d-3d44e94a... ^^ I can promise you the list of things negotiated in that could never be done well enough by the company itself. Oh, and that’s a union for multi millionaires.
- toopok4k3 6y ago
  Don't piss them off alone, piss with others and they might treat you better. You might want to think about the balance of the system. Are you actually choosing to work for them instead of the system making it look like they are the best job? Could it be better with some re-balancing?
- ForHackernews 6y ago
  Because you can get more money, better working conditions, and guaranteed rights, and that will irritate your bosses' bosses' owners and their investors.

toopok4k3 6y ago

A lot of silly ifs you are throwing out. Maybe ask them yourself and get involved?

maxehmookau 6y ago

> I would not even be surprised if white males don't get to vote in that union or are excluded from influential positions. Good point. Traditionally white men are massively underrepresented and we should be making more of an effort to make sure they're represented at every level of tech. /s

westmeal 6y ago
Do you not realize that judging based on skin color was the same reason the idea of 'representation' exists? A vote should hold equal weight regardless of who you are or what you look like.
- dahfizz 6y ago
  You want to judge people by the content of their character instead of their skin color? That's racist. /s
- maxehmookau 6y ago
  Exactly. Except, that isn't what happens right now. Most people aren't intending to make decisions based on skin colour, yet it happens.

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