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Quite unexpected! Like many HNers who followed Craig Murray's reporting of the trial (see below), I thought Judge Baraitser was a compliant puppet and the extr

Quite unexpected! Like many HNers who followed Craig Murray's reporting of the trial (see below), I thought Judge Baraitser was a compliant puppet and the extradition to the US was preordained. Will be interesting to see his take on this. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastYear&page=0&prefix=false&query=craigmurray&sort=byPopularity&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastYear&page=0&prefix=fal...

tt433 6y ago
Given the apartment disconnect between the reality Murray describes in his reports and the reality we can observe today, do you think you'll read his content with a higher degree of skepticism in the future? His headlines are all calibrated for maximum outrage, that alone turns me off from reading them. Edit to eat crow: only one article has a sensational headline
- jules-jules 6y ago
  Mind drawing out these differences for the rest of us?
- agd 6y ago
  Not really. If you read his coverage it does mostly accord with the final judgement. I.e. the judge rejected all defence claims on whether the extradition request was proper.
- matthewmacleod 6y ago
  Honestly, his articles where so overwhelmingly obviously biased and lacking any sense of journalism that it was actually painful to watch the number of people on this very site enthusiastically promote him as some kind of truth-seeking hero. It's valid to oppose the Assange extradition, be concerned about the impact on free speech, and any number of other things; Murray is not a reliable narrator on any of these issues, so if you do want to examine his content remember to do so with an extremely heavy dose of skepticism.
  - mantap 6y ago
    What specific incompatibility do you find between his reporting and the ruling? It seems to match quite well?
  - ntsplnkv2 6y ago
    People on here have already made up their minds about Assange/Snowden etc, even if damning evidence came out against them, they would still find a way to spin it one way or another. Cases like these I doubt the truth will ever be known/come out. There is too much political BS surrounding it.
- howlgarnish 6y ago
  It was blatantly obvious where his sympathies lay, so I read them with a grain of salt from day one. But florid (and occasionally hilarious) writing style aside, I have no reason to doubt the factual content of his reports, which repeatedly demonstrated that the whole process was a mockery of justice and the scales were stacked against Assange.
- thinkingemote 6y ago
  The reality that we read today confirms Murray in that the Judge agreed with the US Government in pretty much every area of the extradition request. it does not harm Murray nor encourage people to be more sceptical of him.
kjakm 6y ago
>> I thought Judge Baraitser was a compliant puppet Maybe this judgement will make people think a bit more deeply before jumping to ludicrous conspiracy theories in future. In the UK at least judge's are for the most part demonstrably non-political.
- ur-whale 6y ago
  > In the UK at least judge's are for the most part demonstrably non-political. This is not about UK judges being political, but rather about judges being pressured by governments to do what's convenient for the government. In this particular case, the outcome is surprising.
  - kjakm 6y ago
    If a judge can be pressured by the government they're political. Judges (in the UK) have nothing to gain by being political. They aren't elected politically, the roles are based on merit.
    - chalst 6y ago
      Do you mean that the career of judges is never affected by politics? I think, e.g., that appointments to SCOTUS are an obvious counterexample.
      - rafram 6y ago
        How’s the US Supreme Court relevant to whether UK judges are political?
      - kjakm 6y ago
        The case is being heard in the UK so I'm only talking about the UK. Unlike the US, court appointments in the UK are not political and not for a life long term. Even the public image of a judge as being conservative/liberal is not something really seen here.
        6y ago
mhh__ 6y ago
> Craig Murray's reporting The first two words explain any surprise here. It's still usable data but the HN-groupthink is still wilfully blind to Craig Murray's habits.

tt433 6y ago

Given the apartment disconnect between the reality Murray describes in his reports and the reality we can observe today, do you think you'll read his content with a higher degree of skepticism in the future? His headlines are all calibrated for maximum outrage, that alone turns me off from reading them. Edit to eat crow: only one article has a sensational headline

jules-jules 6y ago
Mind drawing out these differences for the rest of us?
agd 6y ago
Not really. If you read his coverage it does mostly accord with the final judgement. I.e. the judge rejected all defence claims on whether the extradition request was proper.
matthewmacleod 6y ago
Honestly, his articles where so overwhelmingly obviously biased and lacking any sense of journalism that it was actually painful to watch the number of people on this very site enthusiastically promote him as some kind of truth-seeking hero. It's valid to oppose the Assange extradition, be concerned about the impact on free speech, and any number of other things; Murray is not a reliable narrator on any of these issues, so if you do want to examine his content remember to do so with an extremely heavy dose of skepticism.
- mantap 6y ago
  What specific incompatibility do you find between his reporting and the ruling? It seems to match quite well?
- ntsplnkv2 6y ago
  People on here have already made up their minds about Assange/Snowden etc, even if damning evidence came out against them, they would still find a way to spin it one way or another. Cases like these I doubt the truth will ever be known/come out. There is too much political BS surrounding it.
howlgarnish 6y ago
It was blatantly obvious where his sympathies lay, so I read them with a grain of salt from day one. But florid (and occasionally hilarious) writing style aside, I have no reason to doubt the factual content of his reports, which repeatedly demonstrated that the whole process was a mockery of justice and the scales were stacked against Assange.
thinkingemote 6y ago
The reality that we read today confirms Murray in that the Judge agreed with the US Government in pretty much every area of the extradition request. it does not harm Murray nor encourage people to be more sceptical of him.

kjakm 6y ago

>> I thought Judge Baraitser was a compliant puppet Maybe this judgement will make people think a bit more deeply before jumping to ludicrous conspiracy theories in future. In the UK at least judge's are for the most part demonstrably non-political.

ur-whale 6y ago
> In the UK at least judge's are for the most part demonstrably non-political. This is not about UK judges being political, but rather about judges being pressured by governments to do what's convenient for the government. In this particular case, the outcome is surprising.
- kjakm 6y ago
  If a judge can be pressured by the government they're political. Judges (in the UK) have nothing to gain by being political. They aren't elected politically, the roles are based on merit.
  - chalst 6y ago
    Do you mean that the career of judges is never affected by politics? I think, e.g., that appointments to SCOTUS are an obvious counterexample.
    - rafram 6y ago
      How’s the US Supreme Court relevant to whether UK judges are political?
    - kjakm 6y ago
      The case is being heard in the UK so I'm only talking about the UK. Unlike the US, court appointments in the UK are not political and not for a life long term. Even the public image of a judge as being conservative/liberal is not something really seen here.
      - 6y ago

mhh__ 6y ago

> Craig Murray's reporting The first two words explain any surprise here. It's still usable data but the HN-groupthink is still wilfully blind to Craig Murray's habits.