Your last point is very well put. Clojure's selling point to an extent was "look, a Lisp they might actually let you put in production!" compared to Ruby's, whi

Your last point is very well put. Clojure's selling point to an extent was "look, a Lisp they might actually let you put in production!" compared to Ruby's, which certainly in the early 2000s was "rip off your suit and join a startup".