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Time for Australia to step up and own this one. Take your citizen home.

by jonny383 6y ago

docdeek 6y ago
Would that solve anything? Surely the US could seek extradition from Australia if he returned there?
- jonny383 6y ago
  Given the ruling, probably the best outcome for his mental health.
rory_isAdonk 6y ago
No way, let the lad go to France. He'll be protected there.
- niea_11 6y ago
  Asasnge is not a french citizen, so France will refuse to extradite him for the same reasons as the UK : health problems. The extradition treaty between France and the United States allows France to deny extradition when the extradited party faces serious consequences related to health or age. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Mastro#Attempted_extradition_from_France_to_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Mastro#Attempted_extra...
  - rory_isAdonk 6y ago
    A French minister has called for him to be given asylum.
    - niea_11 6y ago
      If you're talking about Marine Le Pen, she's not a french minister (as in government minister, she's (or was) a member of the european parliament) https://www.france24.com/en/video/20190412-wikileaks-fouder-assange-faces-long-extradition-battle https://www.france24.com/en/video/20190412-wikileaks-fouder-... The last public stance of the french government (that I could find) on the matter was that they don't "offer asylum to someone who’s not asking for it" https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/julian-assange-asylum-france-macron-extradition-us-wikileaks-a8866971.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/julian-assan... And he made a request in 2015 but was denied. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-assange/france-rejects-asylum-request-by-wikileaks-founder-assange-idUSKCN0PD10G20150703 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-assange/france-rej... Plus, I'm not sure if he qualifies for the status of refugee (asylum seeker) as defined here : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_Relating_to_the_Status_of_Refugees#Definition_of_refugee https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_Relating_to_the_Sta... As a result of events occurring before 1 January 1951 and owing to well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality and is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country; or who, not having a nationality and being outside the country of his former habitual residence as a result of such events, is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to return to it. From the US point view at least (and the UK according to the latest judgment), he's being extradited for a crime not a political opinion.
      - fdeage 6y ago
        I think the parent was referring to M. Eric Dupond-Moretti, who, a few months before becoming France's current Garde des Sceaux (Minister of Justice), joined the Assange defense team [0] and sent Macron an asylum request for Assange [1]. [0] https://www.europe1.fr/international/eric-dupond-moretti-va-defendre-julian-assange-3949355 https://www.europe1.fr/international/eric-dupond-moretti-va-... [1] https://www.francetvinfo.fr/faits-divers/affaire/assange/eric-dupond-moretti-l-un-des-avocats-de-julian-assange-va-deposer-une-requete-de-demande-de-droit-d-asile-a-emmanuel-macron_3839119.html https://www.francetvinfo.fr/faits-divers/affaire/assange/eri... The irony is that, now that he belongs to Macron's government, he seems not to be allowed to issue asylum requests :/
        niea_11 6y ago
        Thanks for the links. So it was before he joined the french governement. This is off-topic, but after a google search, I found something more ironic: he said a few years ago that he would never accept a position in the government. https://www.lci.fr/politique/video-remaniement-garde-des-sceaux-quand-eric-dupond-moretti-assurait-qu-il-n-accepterait-jamais-d-etre-ministre-de-la-justice-2158697.html https://www.lci.fr/politique/video-remaniement-garde-des-sce... An intimidating figure who has likened the courtroom to a theatre, Dupond-Moretti swore as recently as 2018 that he would never be justice minister, saying no one would have the "utterly absurd" idea -- "and frankly I would never accept such a thing". https://www.france24.com/en/20200708-france-s-acquittator-sows-controversy-as-new-justice-minister https://www.france24.com/en/20200708-france-s-acquittator-so...
ostenning 6y ago
What I learnt over the past year is that Australia doesn’t really care about it’s citizens abroad.
- dkdk8283 6y ago
  The CCP has a strong influence on AU: I fear AU law more than US law.
- stephen_g 6y ago
  Well, I think that’s generally more to do with the particular political party in power than anything, but unfortunately on Assange both sides have been rubbish. Only a few Greens and Andrew Wilkie are really pushing for him in Parliament...
cblconfederate 6y ago
Arguably the safest place for him is Russia
- microtherion 6y ago
  With a nice cup of tea, served to him by Putin personally, presumably…
  - mhh__ 6y ago
    No reason to do it, he's been useful to them and will remain useful to them alive.
- unnouinceput 6y ago
  Is this a reference to Snowden?

Time for Australia to step up and own this one. Take your citizen home.

docdeek 6y ago

Would that solve anything? Surely the US could seek extradition from Australia if he returned there?

jonny383 6y ago
Given the ruling, probably the best outcome for his mental health.

rory_isAdonk 6y ago

No way, let the lad go to France. He'll be protected there.

niea_11 6y ago
Asasnge is not a french citizen, so France will refuse to extradite him for the same reasons as the UK : health problems. The extradition treaty between France and the United States allows France to deny extradition when the extradited party faces serious consequences related to health or age. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Mastro#Attempted_extradition_from_France_to_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Mastro#Attempted_extra...
- rory_isAdonk 6y ago
  A French minister has called for him to be given asylum.
  - niea_11 6y ago
    If you're talking about Marine Le Pen, she's not a french minister (as in government minister, she's (or was) a member of the european parliament) https://www.france24.com/en/video/20190412-wikileaks-fouder-assange-faces-long-extradition-battle https://www.france24.com/en/video/20190412-wikileaks-fouder-... The last public stance of the french government (that I could find) on the matter was that they don't "offer asylum to someone who’s not asking for it" https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/julian-assange-asylum-france-macron-extradition-us-wikileaks-a8866971.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/julian-assan... And he made a request in 2015 but was denied. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-assange/france-rejects-asylum-request-by-wikileaks-founder-assange-idUSKCN0PD10G20150703 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-assange/france-rej... Plus, I'm not sure if he qualifies for the status of refugee (asylum seeker) as defined here : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_Relating_to_the_Status_of_Refugees#Definition_of_refugee https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_Relating_to_the_Sta... As a result of events occurring before 1 January 1951 and owing to well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality and is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country; or who, not having a nationality and being outside the country of his former habitual residence as a result of such events, is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to return to it. From the US point view at least (and the UK according to the latest judgment), he's being extradited for a crime not a political opinion.
    - fdeage 6y ago
      I think the parent was referring to M. Eric Dupond-Moretti, who, a few months before becoming France's current Garde des Sceaux (Minister of Justice), joined the Assange defense team [0] and sent Macron an asylum request for Assange [1]. [0] https://www.europe1.fr/international/eric-dupond-moretti-va-defendre-julian-assange-3949355 https://www.europe1.fr/international/eric-dupond-moretti-va-... [1] https://www.francetvinfo.fr/faits-divers/affaire/assange/eric-dupond-moretti-l-un-des-avocats-de-julian-assange-va-deposer-une-requete-de-demande-de-droit-d-asile-a-emmanuel-macron_3839119.html https://www.francetvinfo.fr/faits-divers/affaire/assange/eri... The irony is that, now that he belongs to Macron's government, he seems not to be allowed to issue asylum requests :/
      - niea_11 6y ago
        Thanks for the links. So it was before he joined the french governement. This is off-topic, but after a google search, I found something more ironic: he said a few years ago that he would never accept a position in the government. https://www.lci.fr/politique/video-remaniement-garde-des-sceaux-quand-eric-dupond-moretti-assurait-qu-il-n-accepterait-jamais-d-etre-ministre-de-la-justice-2158697.html https://www.lci.fr/politique/video-remaniement-garde-des-sce... An intimidating figure who has likened the courtroom to a theatre, Dupond-Moretti swore as recently as 2018 that he would never be justice minister, saying no one would have the "utterly absurd" idea -- "and frankly I would never accept such a thing". https://www.france24.com/en/20200708-france-s-acquittator-sows-controversy-as-new-justice-minister https://www.france24.com/en/20200708-france-s-acquittator-so...

ostenning 6y ago

What I learnt over the past year is that Australia doesn’t really care about it’s citizens abroad.

dkdk8283 6y ago
The CCP has a strong influence on AU: I fear AU law more than US law.
stephen_g 6y ago
Well, I think that’s generally more to do with the particular political party in power than anything, but unfortunately on Assange both sides have been rubbish. Only a few Greens and Andrew Wilkie are really pushing for him in Parliament...

cblconfederate 6y ago

Arguably the safest place for him is Russia

microtherion 6y ago
With a nice cup of tea, served to him by Putin personally, presumably…
- mhh__ 6y ago
  No reason to do it, he's been useful to them and will remain useful to them alive.
unnouinceput 6y ago
Is this a reference to Snowden?