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So, she basically dismissed all other arguments of Assange team except the mental health argument/risk of suicide, and blocked extradition based on that. That'

So, she basically dismissed all other arguments of Assange team except the mental health argument/risk of suicide, and blocked extradition based on that. That's really interesting.

stefan_ 6y ago
That seems like the line of argument you could employ to deny every extradition to the US then. I might be overly cynical but that seems to be little more than a ploy of appearing impartial by denying on something you are certain it is going to be reversed on appeal.
- sabertoothed 6y ago
  > That seems like the line of argument you could employ to deny every extradition to the US then. Appears to be a very valid reason. The US prison system is a disgrace.
  - shp0ngle 6y ago
    They even cited Jeffrey Epstein suicide in the judgement (paragraph 299, page 95)
    - bitcharmer 6y ago
      "suicide". FTFY
- rsynnott 6y ago
  > That seems like the line of argument you could employ to deny every extradition to the US then. While it doesn't quite go that far, it is pretty common for extradition from Europe to the US to be blocked for this reason. Arguably, given how common solitary confinement is in the US, all extradition to the US should be abandoned. > denying on something you are certain it is going to be reversed on appeal Why would you think it would be reversed? It's fairly common to refuse extradition where the subject would be at significant risk of being abused/tortured/executed.
  - stefan_ 6y ago
    The point of an extradition treaty is surely that lawmakers have concluded the two systems participating are reasonably close to allow for extradition in the first place. It is then not the place of a judge to decide otherwise. There are exemptions such as no extradition when the conduct isn't illegal in the extraditing country, but as you mention: if you consider solitary confinement torture, there is no reason to approve of any extradition to the US anymore.
    - rsynnott 6y ago
      The US will sometimes promise to not use solitary confinement (or various other forms of inhumane treatment/torture) to secure extradition, and some countries will sometime accept that.
      - gsnedders 6y ago
        Likewise capital punishment.
    - ClumsyPilot 6y ago
      'It is then not the place of a judge to decide otherwise' It is precisely role of the Judge to uphold the law and rights, they take precedence over any agreements
    - Talanes 6y ago
      It's not the place of the judge to consider the treaty one way or another. Judges judge based on the actual laws put in place in their court. If the current state really isn't what the lawmakers had intended with their treaties, then they need to update the domestic laws that go along with them.
  - justincormack 6y ago
    All potential death sentence extraditions are automatically refused (not just from UK). A fair number of other ones are, not sure what proprtion.
- thinkingemote 6y ago
  You actually make a good point in a way. It's because the autism argument has been used before is why it was employed in this case and why it became the strongest argument. Lauri Love https://news.sky.com/story/lauri-love-autistic-hacking-suspect-wins-us-extradition-appeal-11237738 https://news.sky.com/story/lauri-love-autistic-hacking-suspe...
KirillPanov 6y ago
He'll be released to some kind of house arrest (or whatever the UK equivalent is), and be found dead the next day. It will be ruled a suicide.
- dang 6y ago
  Please don't do this here.
croes 6y ago
Yes, as soon his health gets better they can go on with the extradition.
- EvaK_de 6y ago
  Except his autism spectrum disorder isn't going to get better.
  - africanboy 6y ago
    But the symptoms could.
    - MauranKilom 6y ago
      They already did, thanks to the provisions of his current imprisonment. The ruling is based on those provisions almost surely removed upon extradition, guaranteeing that his "symptoms" would reappear. To put it extremely mildly.
      - africanboy 6y ago
        I was simply replying to > Except his autism spectrum disorder isn't going to get better As someone diagnosed in the spectrum it totally can.

So, she basically dismissed all other arguments of Assange team except the mental health argument/risk of suicide, and blocked extradition based on that. That's really interesting.

stefan_ 6y ago

That seems like the line of argument you could employ to deny every extradition to the US then. I might be overly cynical but that seems to be little more than a ploy of appearing impartial by denying on something you are certain it is going to be reversed on appeal.

sabertoothed 6y ago
> That seems like the line of argument you could employ to deny every extradition to the US then. Appears to be a very valid reason. The US prison system is a disgrace.
- shp0ngle 6y ago
  They even cited Jeffrey Epstein suicide in the judgement (paragraph 299, page 95)
  - bitcharmer 6y ago
    "suicide". FTFY
rsynnott 6y ago
> That seems like the line of argument you could employ to deny every extradition to the US then. While it doesn't quite go that far, it is pretty common for extradition from Europe to the US to be blocked for this reason. Arguably, given how common solitary confinement is in the US, all extradition to the US should be abandoned. > denying on something you are certain it is going to be reversed on appeal Why would you think it would be reversed? It's fairly common to refuse extradition where the subject would be at significant risk of being abused/tortured/executed.
- stefan_ 6y ago
  The point of an extradition treaty is surely that lawmakers have concluded the two systems participating are reasonably close to allow for extradition in the first place. It is then not the place of a judge to decide otherwise. There are exemptions such as no extradition when the conduct isn't illegal in the extraditing country, but as you mention: if you consider solitary confinement torture, there is no reason to approve of any extradition to the US anymore.
  - rsynnott 6y ago
    The US will sometimes promise to not use solitary confinement (or various other forms of inhumane treatment/torture) to secure extradition, and some countries will sometime accept that.
    - gsnedders 6y ago
      Likewise capital punishment.
  - ClumsyPilot 6y ago
    'It is then not the place of a judge to decide otherwise' It is precisely role of the Judge to uphold the law and rights, they take precedence over any agreements
  - Talanes 6y ago
    It's not the place of the judge to consider the treaty one way or another. Judges judge based on the actual laws put in place in their court. If the current state really isn't what the lawmakers had intended with their treaties, then they need to update the domestic laws that go along with them.
- justincormack 6y ago
  All potential death sentence extraditions are automatically refused (not just from UK). A fair number of other ones are, not sure what proprtion.
thinkingemote 6y ago
You actually make a good point in a way. It's because the autism argument has been used before is why it was employed in this case and why it became the strongest argument. Lauri Love https://news.sky.com/story/lauri-love-autistic-hacking-suspect-wins-us-extradition-appeal-11237738 https://news.sky.com/story/lauri-love-autistic-hacking-suspe...

KirillPanov 6y ago

He'll be released to some kind of house arrest (or whatever the UK equivalent is), and be found dead the next day. It will be ruled a suicide.

dang 6y ago
Please don't do this here.

croes 6y ago

Yes, as soon his health gets better they can go on with the extradition.

EvaK_de 6y ago
Except his autism spectrum disorder isn't going to get better.
- africanboy 6y ago
  But the symptoms could.
  - MauranKilom 6y ago
    They already did, thanks to the provisions of his current imprisonment. The ruling is based on those provisions almost surely removed upon extradition, guaranteeing that his "symptoms" would reappear. To put it extremely mildly.
    - africanboy 6y ago
      I was simply replying to > Except his autism spectrum disorder isn't going to get better As someone diagnosed in the spectrum it totally can.