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> Government will collect as much data as possible citing medical reasons and then use the data as it pleases saying since we collect Some governments... We do

> Government will collect as much data as possible citing medical reasons and then use the data as it pleases saying since we collect Some governments... We don't all live in a surveillance state.

jesterson 6y ago
While I do agree with the correction - thank you, unfortunately this is applicable to certain extend to any government in developed world. Especially since the whole COVID madness started.
coldtea 6y ago
You'd be surprised. Where do you leave that's not a surveillance state?
- kasperni 6y ago
  Nordic country. And my point was mainly targeted on "will the government use the data for other non-intended purposes". Instead of whether or not my Internet traffic is monitored by some state actor.
  - coldtea 6y ago
    >Nordic country Nine Eyes: The Nine Eyes is a different arrangement that consists of the same members of Five Eyes working with Denmark, France, the Netherlands and Norway. Fourteen Eyes: According to a document leaked by Edward Snowden, there is another working agreement amongst 14 nations officially known as SIGINT Seniors Europe, or "SSEUR". These "14 Eyes" consist of the same members of Nine Eyes plus Belgium, Germany, Italy, Spain and Sweden. >will the government use the data for other non-intended purposes I wouldn't bet on it. I think that nordic cultures (especially Sweden) have the tendency to think the government does no wrong, has no power plays and special interests, and only ever does what it says it does.
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throwaw999 6y ago
I'd be happy to learn which governments in your opinion wouldn't abuse such power.
- NicoJuicy 6y ago
  Europe ( perhaps excluding Hungary). Even then, the bluetooth based protocol of Apple and Google can't be used for location tracing. The governments have 0 location data in possession when based on that protocol.
  - zapdrive 6y ago
    I don't think the location aspect is what is important to the government, rather it's the "who met who, and when" aspect.
    - lrem 6y ago
      Which is exactly why the protocol is: 1. Your phone transmits a temporary random number. 2. Your phone stores, but never uploads, list of all the numbers it has seen for a prolonged period. 3. Your phone downloads daily a list of published numbers and cross-references that with the local list. Literally the only time you upload anything is when you report being positive.
  - throwaw999 6y ago
    It's funny you say that given I live in an EU country (which is not Hungary) and I strongly disagree with this sentiment.
    - NicoJuicy 6y ago
      Like I said, if the app is based on the protocol so it's not even possible in that case. Most countries followed this spec and combatting the virus has more priority in every country in the EU. Not at all handling out fines. Although France is not implementing the standard protocol. They are very protective of citizens data ( not even a city can access it). ( Source: my work is related to this in Belgium and France)

> Government will collect as much data as possible citing medical reasons and then use the data as it pleases saying since we collect Some governments... We don't all live in a surveillance state.

jesterson 6y ago

While I do agree with the correction - thank you, unfortunately this is applicable to certain extend to any government in developed world. Especially since the whole COVID madness started.

coldtea 6y ago

You'd be surprised. Where do you leave that's not a surveillance state?

kasperni 6y ago
Nordic country. And my point was mainly targeted on "will the government use the data for other non-intended purposes". Instead of whether or not my Internet traffic is monitored by some state actor.
- coldtea 6y ago
  >Nordic country Nine Eyes: The Nine Eyes is a different arrangement that consists of the same members of Five Eyes working with Denmark, France, the Netherlands and Norway. Fourteen Eyes: According to a document leaked by Edward Snowden, there is another working agreement amongst 14 nations officially known as SIGINT Seniors Europe, or "SSEUR". These "14 Eyes" consist of the same members of Nine Eyes plus Belgium, Germany, Italy, Spain and Sweden. >will the government use the data for other non-intended purposes I wouldn't bet on it. I think that nordic cultures (especially Sweden) have the tendency to think the government does no wrong, has no power plays and special interests, and only ever does what it says it does.
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throwaw999 6y ago

I'd be happy to learn which governments in your opinion wouldn't abuse such power.

NicoJuicy 6y ago
Europe ( perhaps excluding Hungary). Even then, the bluetooth based protocol of Apple and Google can't be used for location tracing. The governments have 0 location data in possession when based on that protocol.
- zapdrive 6y ago
  I don't think the location aspect is what is important to the government, rather it's the "who met who, and when" aspect.
  - lrem 6y ago
    Which is exactly why the protocol is: 1. Your phone transmits a temporary random number. 2. Your phone stores, but never uploads, list of all the numbers it has seen for a prolonged period. 3. Your phone downloads daily a list of published numbers and cross-references that with the local list. Literally the only time you upload anything is when you report being positive.
- throwaw999 6y ago
  It's funny you say that given I live in an EU country (which is not Hungary) and I strongly disagree with this sentiment.
  - NicoJuicy 6y ago
    Like I said, if the app is based on the protocol so it's not even possible in that case. Most countries followed this spec and combatting the virus has more priority in every country in the EU. Not at all handling out fines. Although France is not implementing the standard protocol. They are very protective of citizens data ( not even a city can access it). ( Source: my work is related to this in Belgium and France)