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It is a shame that T.LY displays only the footer without JavaScript enabled instead of degrading gracefully. Surely a plain HTML form that POSTs should suffice?

by samb1729 6y ago

It is a shame that T.LY displays only the footer without JavaScript enabled instead of degrading gracefully. Surely a plain HTML form that POSTs should suffice? I'm not sure how much work it would require for you to support this, but it would help cement your place as a good web actor if you're so inclined!

daniellarusso 6y ago
Can you instead use the meta refresh tag?
- cphoover 6y ago
  Why use meta refresh tag over a http redirect: https://t.ly/home https://t.ly/home
- TimLeland 6y ago
  Try curl https://t.ly/c55j https://t.ly/c55j The response is: <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="0;url='https://weatherextension.com/ https://weatherextension.com/'" />
- Thorrez 6y ago
  samb1729 isn't talking about viewing shortened URLs. That works fine with javascript disabled. samb1729 is talking about viewing the the homepage of t.ly and creating shortened URLs. Side note, I think a 301/302/303/307/308 redirect is better than meta refresh (t.ly happens to use a 301 redirect + meta refresh).
  - TimLeland 6y ago
    Yes T.LY uses a 301 redirect which is better for SEO for the long url domain.
- samb1729 6y ago
  Thorrez is correct in their interpretation of my comment, so I have nothing to add there. However given your username I'd like to let you know Cobra Kai season 3 recently released and is as silly as ever, in case you haven't already watched!
TimLeland 6y ago
Sorry about that. I honestly didn't think anyone browsed the web without javascript enabled. How common is that? We do offer a simple to use api that you could build on top of to shorten link. Also an extension that offers the ability to shorten a url in one click. API Docs: https://t.ly/docs/ https://t.ly/docs/ Extension: https://t.ly/extension https://t.ly/extension
- Baeocystin 6y ago
  >I honestly didn't think anyone browsed the web without javascript enabled. How common is that? Not the person you asked, but speaking for myself, all the time. I have a javascript toggle I use several times a day, and leave it set to off as much as I can.
  - TimLeland 6y ago
    Interesting..How many sites work without javascript these days? Does google?
    - agreeablebut 6y ago
      Plenty, and you get used to either toggling or enable the specific scripts that need to run.
    - Baeocystin 6y ago
      More than you'd think, not as many as I'd hope. Easily 2/3rds of the ones I visit work, FWIW. Google works fine without javascript. Stunningly fast.
      - oauea 6y ago
        > Google works fine without javascript. Stunningly fast. Until they block you for "suspicious behavior" after a few minutes of using it like that.
        6y ago

samb1729 6y ago

I browse with NoScript blocking JavaScript by default as too many web developers (or their managers) have violated my trust to not do Dodgy Stuff over the years. Unfortunately I don't believe there will ever exist accurate numbers of the true portion of people who browse a subset of the web with JavaScript disabled, at least partially because many of those same folks will prevent the means used to collect the data in the first place. It's no place for me to dictate how you do your development, so I won't do that. It is however my personal opinion that websites should depend on HTML and CSS, and progressively enhance functionality with sprinkles of JavaScript. The vast majority of websites are not interactive applications, and I think modern web development practices could do with something of a hard reset. I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to decide how things ended up where they are now and whether it's a good thing for them. Personally I think it's comical and horrifying just how much compilation goes on in projects written in that particular interpreted language these days!

ficklepickle 6y ago
Do you run native phone apps? Because they are 10000x worse. 75mb to display a website and 20 tracking/retargeting libs. Apps are killing the open web anyway. People being born now will grow up without knowing what the web is. I agree about the state of the web tho. I'm a web dev and I often browse with JS disabled and always with adblocking and pihole.
- labawi 6y ago
  Not OP, but only open source ones. It's a shame, but such is life. I have 1 client-provided phone that I only power on for specific purposes that is not neutered and has a closed-source app.
labawi 6y ago
It's an unfortunate effect. I feel conflicted about blocking all the tracking and stuff, as I believe most cites will ignore browsers such as mine in their statistics, where everyone has javascript, because analytics says so, and most will have webgl, webasm, canvas, webfont, notifications, whatever... They probably don't count private browsers even when I am a logged-in paying user - who parses server logs these days.