4 ms·

I highly recommend the books "Toyota Production System" and "The Machine That Changed The World" for a background on the manufacturing cousin/ancestor of agile

I highly recommend the books "Toyota Production System" and "The Machine That Changed The World" for a background on the manufacturing cousin/ancestor of agile software development. I wish there were newer studies though that cover the rise of Hyundai/Kia quality in the last two decades. If you know of any please let me know.

LeifCarrotson 6y ago
Recently read "The machine that changed the world", and I too wish there was a more recent study. I've worked in several Michigan and Indiana tier 1s and OEM plants, and seen some of the differences described, but the book is 30 years old now. The fundamentals are still fundamental, and culture change is really, really slow, but everyone's making improvements.
Judgmentality 6y ago
> I wish there were newer studies though that cover the rise of Hyundai/Kia quality in the last two decades. I realize this is a tangent, but the fact that Hyundai managed to build this and sell it with a 10 year warranty is incredible. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhsgdwUX1-w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhsgdwUX1-w
DubiousPusher 6y ago
Absolutely mind blowing to watch that transformation. And not just in durability and features but in aesthetics as well. A BMW interior is still a BMW interior but the interior of a 2020 Hyundai is much closer to the interior of a 2020 BMW than the interior of a 2002 Hyundai was to the interior of a 2020 BMW. This is one are where others impress as well. Even GM and Ford have come far in this regard.
- mixmastamyk 6y ago
  Guessing that last 2020 was supposed to be a 2002?
OldHand2018 6y ago
“The Machine that Changed the World” is an excellent book detailing differences between the Japanese style and American style of designing and building cars. Near the end of the book is one of the most important parts, yet nobody seems to talk about it. Workers and suppliers were committed to the system because the automaker was committed to the worker and the supplier. This is the cornerstone to the entire thing working. You can’t do the Toyota Production System without it, and few companies are willing to do so.
davidrm 6y ago
Not only that! The story behind their newly founded N division is very interesting. They poached a long-time BMW executive Albert Biermann who headed multiple vehicle developments and the BMW M group, and tasked him with bringing up the N high performance divison within Hyundai (N as in Namyang R&D, but he says also Nurburgring). Since then he's been promoted to President & Head of R&D. As my most recent comment history says, I've spent several weeks in Namyang and I've never heard of an executive's name being (positively) invoked so many times inside the garage :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4iV4NeDABc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4iV4NeDABc

LeifCarrotson 6y ago

Recently read "The machine that changed the world", and I too wish there was a more recent study. I've worked in several Michigan and Indiana tier 1s and OEM plants, and seen some of the differences described, but the book is 30 years old now. The fundamentals are still fundamental, and culture change is really, really slow, but everyone's making improvements.

Judgmentality 6y ago

> I wish there were newer studies though that cover the rise of Hyundai/Kia quality in the last two decades. I realize this is a tangent, but the fact that Hyundai managed to build this and sell it with a 10 year warranty is incredible. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhsgdwUX1-w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhsgdwUX1-w

DubiousPusher 6y ago

Absolutely mind blowing to watch that transformation. And not just in durability and features but in aesthetics as well. A BMW interior is still a BMW interior but the interior of a 2020 Hyundai is much closer to the interior of a 2020 BMW than the interior of a 2002 Hyundai was to the interior of a 2020 BMW. This is one are where others impress as well. Even GM and Ford have come far in this regard.

mixmastamyk 6y ago
Guessing that last 2020 was supposed to be a 2002?

OldHand2018 6y ago

“The Machine that Changed the World” is an excellent book detailing differences between the Japanese style and American style of designing and building cars. Near the end of the book is one of the most important parts, yet nobody seems to talk about it. Workers and suppliers were committed to the system because the automaker was committed to the worker and the supplier. This is the cornerstone to the entire thing working. You can’t do the Toyota Production System without it, and few companies are willing to do so.

davidrm 6y ago

Not only that! The story behind their newly founded N division is very interesting. They poached a long-time BMW executive Albert Biermann who headed multiple vehicle developments and the BMW M group, and tasked him with bringing up the N high performance divison within Hyundai (N as in Namyang R&D, but he says also Nurburgring). Since then he's been promoted to President & Head of R&D. As my most recent comment history says, I've spent several weeks in Namyang and I've never heard of an executive's name being (positively) invoked so many times inside the garage :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4iV4NeDABc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4iV4NeDABc