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“ECC availability matters a lot - exactly because Intel has been instrumental in killing the whole ECC industry with it's horribly bad market segmentation.” It
by kensai 6y ago
“ECC availability matters a lot - exactly because Intel has been instrumental in killing the whole ECC industry with it's horribly bad market segmentation.”
Its.
There, I finally corrected Linus Torvalds in something. :))
- raverbashing 6y agoYeah I'm always annoyed with this kind of mistake. Especially as non-native speakers should know better than the native ones (which usually don't give a f.). Now the point about internally doing ECC is an interesting one, could be a way out of this mess. And apparently ECC is more available in AMD land
- touisteur 6y agoI think it's available for customer SKUs on AMD and not just for servers like in 'Xeon-land'... How I've wanted an ECC-ready NUC...
- jeffbee 6y agoThe AMD parts all have the ECC feature but the platform support outside of EPYC may as well not exist. Most motherboards for the Ryzen segment don’t do it properly or don’t do it at all, some support it but aren’t capable of reporting events to the operating system which is dumb. Ryzen laptops don’t have it either. Closest you can come to a nuc with ecc is I think a mini server equipped with one of the four-core i3 parts that have ecc.
- touisteur 6y agoAh thanks for the real-world check on AMD Ryzen and ECC. Sad state of affairs really, when so many things are integrated in the SOC, why skimp on this... As for NUCs, I thought there were some Atom chips with ECC but not in NUC form factor ? Something shiny from Logic Supply might do then...
- erkkie 6y agoProbably not what you meant but https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/190108/intel-nuc-9-pro-kit-nuc9vxqnx.html https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/190108/... has support for Xeon (and ECC). Now how to actually practically source 32GB ECC enabled SO-DIMM sticks ..
- touisteur 6y agoOh thanks! TIL. Then I just saw the price tag, ouch.
- africanboy 6y agoAs a non native speaker, my phone has both the Italian and English dictionary, when I write its it always auto corrects to it's as soon as I hit space and sometimes it gets unnoticed.
- phkahler 6y ago>> But is ECC more available in AMD land? Yes it is. The problem is they dont really advertise it. I'm not certain but it might even be standard on AMD chips, but if they dont say so and board makers are also unclear, who knows...
- ethbr0 6y agoIt's a market size problem. For consumer motherboard OEMs, only AMD effectively has ECC support (Intel's has been so spotty and haphazard from product to product), and of AMD users, only a small number care about ECC. So motherboard companies, being resource and time-starved as they are, don't make it a priority to address such a small user-base. If Intel started shipping ECC on everything, it would go a long way towards shifting the market.
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- tssva 6y agoThe really annoying thing is that auto correct on mobile device keyboards will often want to incorrectly change "its" to "it's" or vice versa.
- raverbashing 6y agoYes, auto-corrects compound the problem.
- simias 6y agoFor a 2nd language speaker making these homophonic mistakes is actually a sign of fluency. It means that you just transcribe a mental flow of words instead of consciously constructing the language. The first time I wrote "your" instead of "you're" in English I thought it was quite a milestone!
- raverbashing 6y ago> For a 2nd language speaker making these homophonic mistakes is actually a sign of fluency. I kinda disagree because while the homophony works in (spoken) English in written it stands as a sore thumb. So yeah you will make it if you only heard it but doesn't know the written form. (And in their native language it's probably two unrelated words, so that might intensify the feeling of wrongness)
- simias 6y agoI mean, my native language is French where "your" is "ton" and "you're" is "tu es", yet it (rarely) happens that I mix them up in English. If I proofread I'll spot it almost every single time, but if I'm just typing my "stream of consciousness" my brain's speech-to-text module sometimes messes up.
- leetcrew 6y agomeh, plenty of (intelligent!) native english speakers do not know all the canonical grammar rules. english contains a lot of what could be considered error correction bits, so it doesn't usually impede understanding. syntactically perfect english with weird/misused idioms (common among non-native speakers with lots of formal education) is harder to understand in my experience. I imagine this is true of most natural languages.
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- protomolecule 6y agoFor what its worth as a non-native speaker I too started making this kind of errors when my English became fluent enough.
- young_unixer 6y agoI've realized that when I'm engaged in the writing (angry or emotional in some way) I tend to commit more of these mistakes, even though I know the difference between "it's" and "its". Linus is always angry, so that probably makes him commit more orthographic mistakes.
- hugey010 6y agoHe uses "do do" instead of "to do" which is a more obvious typo. Linus usually comes across as borderline arrogant, and deservedly so, but not necessarily perfect in his writing. I think it's an effective strategy to communicate his priorities and wrangle smart but easily intimidated folk "do do" what he believes is right!
- JosephRedfern 6y agoMaybe he composed the message using a machine with non-ECC RAM and suffered a bit flip, which through some chain of events, led to the ' being added. Best to give him the benefit of doubt, I think!
- notretarded 6y agoThe mistake was that it was included.
- JosephRedfern 6y agoOops, that was dumb. Fixed, thanks.
- jacquesm 6y agoHow is your Finnish?
- jankeymeulen 6y agoOr Swedish for that matter, as I believe Torvalds maternal language is Swedish
- young_unixer 6y agoYes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rL-0LAy04E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rL-0LAy04E
- jacquesm 6y agoFinnish is stupendously hard. Far harder than Swedish, at least, by my estimation.
- dehrmann 6y agoIt is. Swedish and English are both Germanic languages, so there are a lot of commonalities. Finnish is in a completely different language family. English and Swedish are more closely related to Persian and Hindi than to Finnish.
- dancek 6y agoYes. Swedish is also easy compared to English and French, the other two languages I've learned after early childhood. The only thing that makes it hard is that you never really have use for it and you're forced to learn it nevertheless here in Finland. I'm happy to see people here on HN respect the difficulty of learning languages. Most foreigners that speak Finnish do it very poorly at first and even after decades they still sound like foreigners. But it shows huge respect to our small country for someone to make the effort, and we really appreciate it. I'm hoping other people see learning their own mother tongue the same way. Sure, most of us need English, but learning it well is still a huge task.
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- mark-r 6y agoI have a simple way of remembering when to leave out the apostrophe. His, hers, its are all possessive and none of them have an apostrophe.
- Glanford 6y agoIn this particular case 'it's' can also be possessive although it's considered non-standard, so to be correct you can always treat it like a contraction of 'it is'.
- 8note 6y agoThat would be contracting "its is"? The ambiguity makes it hard for me to say. "It's the best" vs "its is the best" It doesn't feel right dropping the is