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> before you bought the device, you knew that you would not be able to run whatever you damn please on it, right? If so, why did you buy it? If not, can you not

> before you bought the device, you knew that you would not be able to run whatever you damn please on it, right? If so, why did you buy it? If not, can you not return it? Maybe you didn't realize the issue at the time. Maybe you got it as a gift (from your parents, for example). Maybe the choice seemed more viable back then, before the noose tightened (jailbreaking, safetynet, etc). Maybe you didn't really have a choice (for example, here in Sweden, BankID is pretty much mandatory at this point). We don't let grocery stores sell rotten food, and then blame the people who buy it.

johnisgood 6y ago
I do not think that buying rotten food is the way to fight against the grocery store selling it. Do you believe it to be a good strategy? What do you think about BankID being mandatory?
- Nullabillity 6y ago
  > I do not think that buying rotten food is the way to fight against the grocery store selling it. Do you believe it to be a good strategy? I have never bought an Apple device, but have been forced by circumstances to use them in the past. But as I said, people make mistakes, and circumstances change. As is perhaps more relevant to me, Android isn't looking all that much better these days. You do need to eat. And it looks like soon rotten food will be all that is available. > What do you think about BankID being mandatory? I hate it, but I can't really do much about it. Uninstalling it would mean losing access to: 1. All bank accounts 2. All insurance accounts 3. Filing my tax returns 4. Union account 5. Bostadsrättsförening account (think: home owners' association for appartment) 6. Mobile plan management 7. ... I don't think that's a reasonable ask for the "privilege" of being able to use whatever damn phone you please. There is finally some talk of building alternatives for it, but most of it seems to go in the direction of OAuth: they all fundamentally verify you the same way, and it's up to each service provider to support each of them separately. Expected end result for the citizen.. instead of needing a device that runs BankID, you need one in the intersection of BankID, Freja eID+, and whatever else crops up.
  - johnisgood 6y ago
    > You do need to eat. And it looks like soon rotten food will be all that is available. I do not believe it to be the case. As long as I have fire, I can cook stews of legumes which are healthy, for example, and quite cheap. In any case, I do not know where you are, but it does not seem likely around here. > Android isn't looking all that much better these days. Because it really is not. I do not know of a phone that is worth having. Maybe Librem, but I have not yet tried it. :/ > I hate it, but I can't really do much about it. Uninstalling it would mean losing access to [...] Well yeah, this is where we should think about something that would help us achieve our goal. I do not have the answers, sadly.

johnisgood 6y ago

I do not think that buying rotten food is the way to fight against the grocery store selling it. Do you believe it to be a good strategy? What do you think about BankID being mandatory?

Nullabillity 6y ago
> I do not think that buying rotten food is the way to fight against the grocery store selling it. Do you believe it to be a good strategy? I have never bought an Apple device, but have been forced by circumstances to use them in the past. But as I said, people make mistakes, and circumstances change. As is perhaps more relevant to me, Android isn't looking all that much better these days. You do need to eat. And it looks like soon rotten food will be all that is available. > What do you think about BankID being mandatory? I hate it, but I can't really do much about it. Uninstalling it would mean losing access to: 1. All bank accounts 2. All insurance accounts 3. Filing my tax returns 4. Union account 5. Bostadsrättsförening account (think: home owners' association for appartment) 6. Mobile plan management 7. ... I don't think that's a reasonable ask for the "privilege" of being able to use whatever damn phone you please. There is finally some talk of building alternatives for it, but most of it seems to go in the direction of OAuth: they all fundamentally verify you the same way, and it's up to each service provider to support each of them separately. Expected end result for the citizen.. instead of needing a device that runs BankID, you need one in the intersection of BankID, Freja eID+, and whatever else crops up.
- johnisgood 6y ago
  > You do need to eat. And it looks like soon rotten food will be all that is available. I do not believe it to be the case. As long as I have fire, I can cook stews of legumes which are healthy, for example, and quite cheap. In any case, I do not know where you are, but it does not seem likely around here. > Android isn't looking all that much better these days. Because it really is not. I do not know of a phone that is worth having. Maybe Librem, but I have not yet tried it. :/ > I hate it, but I can't really do much about it. Uninstalling it would mean losing access to [...] Well yeah, this is where we should think about something that would help us achieve our goal. I do not have the answers, sadly.