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Human rights is a bi-partisan issue. Bringing human rights, democracy and freedom to Iraq (insert any other non-white country) has always been a bi-partisan is

Human rights is a bi-partisan issue. Bringing human rights, democracy and freedom to Iraq (insert any other non-white country) has always been a bi-partisan issue. Ask the Vietnamese or Filipinos or Native Americans or anywhere else liberated....

orange_joe 6y ago
I'll ask the Bosnians, or the Koreans what they think.... We do ourselves a disservice to pretend that every intervention has been a massive failure or worse. It abdicates the specific responsibility of those waging specific wars and invites us to ignore international tragedy.
- x86_64Ubuntu 6y ago
  Citing any WWII action is dubious at best. And South Korea was a dictatorship in the time afterwards so not exactly a paragon of freedom. If your argument hinges on the Kosovo air war as proof that the US war intervention isn't a default failure, then you've already lost the argument.
  - refurb 6y ago
    If your standard is perfection you’ll always be disappointed. Suffice to say that both Taiwan and South Korea would not be leading democracies in Asia without US intervention. Yes, both were dictatorships initially. Are you arguing it would be better if North Korea were running the whole peninsula? And China controlled Taiwan?
dragonwriter 6y ago
> Ask the Vietnamese or Filipinos or Native Americans or anywhere else liberated.... The US didn't even pretend to liberate any of those groups except maybe the Filipinos. They claimed to defend one set of Vietnamese against another, and didn't even pretend the Indian Wars were for the good of Native Americans.
jcranmer 6y ago
> Ask the Vietnamese or Filipinos or Native Americans or anywhere else liberated.... The Filipinos were actually quite happy the first (Spanish-American War) and third time (World War II). The second time (Filipino-American War), not so much.
NonEUCitizen 6y ago
https://www.tagaloglang.com/water-torture-of-filipinos-by-americans/ https://www.tagaloglang.com/water-torture-of-filipinos-by-am...

orange_joe 6y ago

I'll ask the Bosnians, or the Koreans what they think.... We do ourselves a disservice to pretend that every intervention has been a massive failure or worse. It abdicates the specific responsibility of those waging specific wars and invites us to ignore international tragedy.

x86_64Ubuntu 6y ago
Citing any WWII action is dubious at best. And South Korea was a dictatorship in the time afterwards so not exactly a paragon of freedom. If your argument hinges on the Kosovo air war as proof that the US war intervention isn't a default failure, then you've already lost the argument.
- refurb 6y ago
  If your standard is perfection you’ll always be disappointed. Suffice to say that both Taiwan and South Korea would not be leading democracies in Asia without US intervention. Yes, both were dictatorships initially. Are you arguing it would be better if North Korea were running the whole peninsula? And China controlled Taiwan?

dragonwriter 6y ago

> Ask the Vietnamese or Filipinos or Native Americans or anywhere else liberated.... The US didn't even pretend to liberate any of those groups except maybe the Filipinos. They claimed to defend one set of Vietnamese against another, and didn't even pretend the Indian Wars were for the good of Native Americans.

jcranmer 6y ago

> Ask the Vietnamese or Filipinos or Native Americans or anywhere else liberated.... The Filipinos were actually quite happy the first (Spanish-American War) and third time (World War II). The second time (Filipino-American War), not so much.

NonEUCitizen 6y ago

https://www.tagaloglang.com/water-torture-of-filipinos-by-americans/ https://www.tagaloglang.com/water-torture-of-filipinos-by-am...