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Something that I've found useful when meeting someone in real life, I take an old phone that's only capable of making calls. That way I avoid any possible commu

Something that I've found useful when meeting someone in real life, I take an old phone that's only capable of making calls. That way I avoid any possible communication issues, but I don't get distracted at all.

chrisseaton 6y ago
The problem is that people under the age of 40 or so don't communicate via phone calls in the first instance. So a phone is not a means to communicate with them and you don't avoid any possible communication issues. Your lunch meeting is telling you on Slack that they're going to be late. You think you have no 'possible communication issues' but you're mistaken.
- furstenheim 6y ago
  What I do is tell the other person to reach me on a call if there's any change of plans. That's been enough. Also in case we don't see each other.
- Nicksil 6y ago
  >The problem is that people under the age of 40 or so don't communicate via phone calls in the first instance. Where on Earth are you getting this information? You've made an unsupported claim that I was able to debunk by talking to the four tables around me. What's your source for "people under the age of 40 or so don't communicate via phone calls?"
  - chrisseaton 6y ago
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/26/whatsapp-phone-calls-smartphone-messaging-millennials https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/26/whatsa... https://www.forbes.com/sites/briannawiest/2019/11/04/millennials-hate-phone-calls-they-have-a-point/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/briannawiest/2019/11/04/millenn... https://bgr.com/2018/12/09/millennials-phone-calls-survey/ https://bgr.com/2018/12/09/millennials-phone-calls-survey/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/mobile-chat/why-millennials-dont-pick-up-phone/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/mobile-chat/why-millennia... https://www.inc.com/john-brandon/why-millennials-dont-like-to-make-phone-calls.html https://www.inc.com/john-brandon/why-millennials-dont-like-t... https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/nz-life-leisure/110277251/why-are-millennials-so-scared-of-talking-on-the-phone https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/nz-life-leisure/110277251... https://jeffjbutler.com/2019/04/02/why-millennials-dont-like-to-make-phone-calls-from-a-millennial/ https://jeffjbutler.com/2019/04/02/why-millennials-dont-like... https://www.bankmycell.com/blog/why-millennials-ignore-calls https://www.bankmycell.com/blog/why-millennials-ignore-calls https://medium.com/swlh/why-you-should-never-cold-call-a-millennial-and-what-to-try-instead-8a9418888174 https://medium.com/swlh/why-you-should-never-cold-call-a-mil... Etc etc etc etc I literally don't think I've been called unannounced by someone under 40 in a decade. In fact I think it's now something of a social faux pas to call unannounced. Maybe the people around your tables are just really rude?
    - Nicksil 6y ago
      None of your links back up your claim. >Maybe the people around your tables are just really rude? Maybe, but you certainly are.
      - chrisseaton 6y ago
        I don't know what you're looking for? The first one says 'millennial[s] won't take your phone call' in the first line. Then it even quantifies it 'a quarter never use [their phone] for calls'. If a quarter of people you might be meeting never make or take a phone call, how successful do you think you're going to be in trying to reach them via a phone call? 'Most of the twenty- and thirty somethings I socialise with would rather suck Donald Trump’s toe than make or receive a call in order to have a chat' Lol what more are you looking for?
    - furstenheim 6y ago
      It's different calling someone out of the blue, than calling someone you're meeting in 30 minutes.
  - Mediterraneo10 6y ago
    Throughout much of the world today, young and old alike communicate through Whatsapp, not the public telephone system.
  - Ensorceled 6y ago
    That's not debunking ...
    - Nicksil 6y ago
      >That's not debunking ... That was the point.
      - deleted 6y ago
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- jlokier 6y ago
  It's worse than that. Your lunch meeting sends you a message via WhatsApp, but you don't receive the message because you don't have WhatsApp installed. They think you've seen the message, you don't know they sent anything, neither of you realises, they don't turn up, you leave. They message you again, you don't reply because you still don't have WhatsApp, and the two of you assume the other isn't interested and you lose touch. 1 year later, you install WhatsApp and it delivers the message from your lunch meeting. If only you'd known! This happened to a friend of mine.
gnicholas 6y ago
What happens to any text messages or iMessages that you receive while your SIM card is in your other phone? Do they still end up showing in your conversation history on your main device?
- furstenheim 6y ago
  What I do is to tell the other person that I'll be using this other number and to call me if there's any change of plans. Edit: I actually have two phone numbers. So the new phone is still at home receiving everything
  - barrucadu 6y ago
    Is having a second phone number and telling people when to contact you using it really easier than just... not looking at your primary phone?
    - furstenheim 6y ago
      Not specially hard. And you're comparing different stuff. I'm not using a different phone because it's easier, but because having a smartphone is distracting. It's noticeable, but in case you need a link. https://www.sacurrent.com/the-daily/archives/2017/06/28/just-being-in-the-same-room-as-a-smartphone-can-make-you-dumber https://www.sacurrent.com/the-daily/archives/2017/06/28/just...
      - gnicholas 6y ago
        Incredible — the effect was present even when the phone was turned off. I would think that a phone that is off but nearby would be less of a distraction than a phone that is on but in the next room. It would take longer for me to turn on my phone than walk to the next room to get it.

chrisseaton 6y ago

The problem is that people under the age of 40 or so don't communicate via phone calls in the first instance. So a phone is not a means to communicate with them and you don't avoid any possible communication issues. Your lunch meeting is telling you on Slack that they're going to be late. You think you have no 'possible communication issues' but you're mistaken.

furstenheim 6y ago
What I do is tell the other person to reach me on a call if there's any change of plans. That's been enough. Also in case we don't see each other.
Nicksil 6y ago
>The problem is that people under the age of 40 or so don't communicate via phone calls in the first instance. Where on Earth are you getting this information? You've made an unsupported claim that I was able to debunk by talking to the four tables around me. What's your source for "people under the age of 40 or so don't communicate via phone calls?"
- chrisseaton 6y ago
  https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/26/whatsapp-phone-calls-smartphone-messaging-millennials https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/26/whatsa... https://www.forbes.com/sites/briannawiest/2019/11/04/millennials-hate-phone-calls-they-have-a-point/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/briannawiest/2019/11/04/millenn... https://bgr.com/2018/12/09/millennials-phone-calls-survey/ https://bgr.com/2018/12/09/millennials-phone-calls-survey/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/mobile-chat/why-millennials-dont-pick-up-phone/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/mobile-chat/why-millennia... https://www.inc.com/john-brandon/why-millennials-dont-like-to-make-phone-calls.html https://www.inc.com/john-brandon/why-millennials-dont-like-t... https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/nz-life-leisure/110277251/why-are-millennials-so-scared-of-talking-on-the-phone https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/nz-life-leisure/110277251... https://jeffjbutler.com/2019/04/02/why-millennials-dont-like-to-make-phone-calls-from-a-millennial/ https://jeffjbutler.com/2019/04/02/why-millennials-dont-like... https://www.bankmycell.com/blog/why-millennials-ignore-calls https://www.bankmycell.com/blog/why-millennials-ignore-calls https://medium.com/swlh/why-you-should-never-cold-call-a-millennial-and-what-to-try-instead-8a9418888174 https://medium.com/swlh/why-you-should-never-cold-call-a-mil... Etc etc etc etc I literally don't think I've been called unannounced by someone under 40 in a decade. In fact I think it's now something of a social faux pas to call unannounced. Maybe the people around your tables are just really rude?
  - Nicksil 6y ago
    None of your links back up your claim. >Maybe the people around your tables are just really rude? Maybe, but you certainly are.
    - chrisseaton 6y ago
      I don't know what you're looking for? The first one says 'millennial[s] won't take your phone call' in the first line. Then it even quantifies it 'a quarter never use [their phone] for calls'. If a quarter of people you might be meeting never make or take a phone call, how successful do you think you're going to be in trying to reach them via a phone call? 'Most of the twenty- and thirty somethings I socialise with would rather suck Donald Trump’s toe than make or receive a call in order to have a chat' Lol what more are you looking for?
  - furstenheim 6y ago
    It's different calling someone out of the blue, than calling someone you're meeting in 30 minutes.
- Mediterraneo10 6y ago
  Throughout much of the world today, young and old alike communicate through Whatsapp, not the public telephone system.
- Ensorceled 6y ago
  That's not debunking ...
  - Nicksil 6y ago
    >That's not debunking ... That was the point.
    - deleted 6y ago
      [deleted]
jlokier 6y ago
It's worse than that. Your lunch meeting sends you a message via WhatsApp, but you don't receive the message because you don't have WhatsApp installed. They think you've seen the message, you don't know they sent anything, neither of you realises, they don't turn up, you leave. They message you again, you don't reply because you still don't have WhatsApp, and the two of you assume the other isn't interested and you lose touch. 1 year later, you install WhatsApp and it delivers the message from your lunch meeting. If only you'd known! This happened to a friend of mine.

gnicholas 6y ago

What happens to any text messages or iMessages that you receive while your SIM card is in your other phone? Do they still end up showing in your conversation history on your main device?

furstenheim 6y ago
What I do is to tell the other person that I'll be using this other number and to call me if there's any change of plans. Edit: I actually have two phone numbers. So the new phone is still at home receiving everything
- barrucadu 6y ago
  Is having a second phone number and telling people when to contact you using it really easier than just... not looking at your primary phone?
  - furstenheim 6y ago
    Not specially hard. And you're comparing different stuff. I'm not using a different phone because it's easier, but because having a smartphone is distracting. It's noticeable, but in case you need a link. https://www.sacurrent.com/the-daily/archives/2017/06/28/just-being-in-the-same-room-as-a-smartphone-can-make-you-dumber https://www.sacurrent.com/the-daily/archives/2017/06/28/just...
    - gnicholas 6y ago
      Incredible — the effect was present even when the phone was turned off. I would think that a phone that is off but nearby would be less of a distraction than a phone that is on but in the next room. It would take longer for me to turn on my phone than walk to the next room to get it.