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The Spectator Fact Checking The New York Times

7 points by dustinmoris 6y ago

LatteLazy 6y ago
It's not a real fact check. UK gov hasn't decided whether they will "mix and match". They also haven't decided yet whether they will open schools in 35h time. They were 100% certain theur would be no Christmas lockdown 4h before announcing Christmas lockdown. The spectator used to be a respectable right wing outlet. But since brexit, it's gone full foxnews. The NYT (which is the right of where the spectator was a few years ago and hardly "liberal" by the British definition) is correct there will be mixing. The government themselves only decided what circumstances would need to be for mixing a few hours ago. They only decided that when dozens of experts (including their own advisors) publically said it was a bad idea to mix so they rowed back from anything goes. Apparently it hadn't occurred to them to even ask. Once again, policy by uneducated dictat. Now with political coverage by bs claims of "fact checking".
- alisonkisk 6y ago
  To be fair, it goes both ways. The UK gov said "if you can't get a second dose of one vaccine, get another vaccine because that's probably better than nothing, while we run studies on the effectiveness of such" and the NYT and other left wing outlets ran articles stirring up outrage, finding scientists to "slam" (modern infotainment media's favorite word for "disagree no matter how slight") the UK for "making decisions based on zero evidence", pushing the Follow the Science narrative that has sadly become more of a religion than an actual scientific method.
  - LatteLazy 6y ago
    Originally they said: >Each person’s second dose must be from the same manufacturer as their first dose [1] That's from the instructions to the doctors schuding and giving the doses. That was on 30/12. On 31/12 new guidance buried in the chapter 14a of the "green book" said: >If the course is interrupted or delayed, it should be resumed using the same vaccine but the first dose should not be repeated. There is no evidence on the interchangeability of the COVID-19 vaccines although studies are underway. Therefore, every effort should be made to determine which vaccine the individual received and to complete with the same vaccine. For individuals who started the schedule and who attend for vaccination at a site where the same vaccine is not available, or if the first product received is unknown, it is reasonable to offer one dose of the locally available product to complete the schedule. This option is preferred if the individual is likely to be at immediate high risk or is considered unlikely to attend again. In these circumstances, as both the vaccines are based on the spike protein, it is likely the second dose will help to boost the response to the first dose. For this reason, until additional information becomes available, further doses would not then be required. [2] So we're still waiting for what the actual rule is. In the mean time, rather than saying "I'll get back to you" various ministers have insisted on both and a whole set of various levels in between. Including saying you can mix and match and that's A-OK! Something not supported by the links above. It it makes you feel any better, the UKs current Conservative government is probably a little to the right of Joe Biden rather than being close to the republicans. And they're vastly below his dog in terms of communication skills, competence and IQ. [1] https://www.england.nhs.uk/coronavirus/wp-content/uploads/sites/52/2020/12/C0994-System-letter-COVID-19-vaccination-deployment-planning-30-December-2020.pdf https://www.england.nhs.uk/coronavirus/wp-content/uploads/si... [2] https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/948757/Greenbook_chapter_14a_v4.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...

7 points by dustinmoris 6y ago

It's not a real fact check. UK gov hasn't decided whether they will "mix and match". They also haven't decided yet whether they will open schools in 35h time. They were 100% certain theur would be no Christmas lockdown 4h before announcing Christmas lockdown. The spectator used to be a respectable right wing outlet. But since brexit, it's gone full foxnews. The NYT (which is the right of where the spectator was a few years ago and hardly "liberal" by the British definition) is correct there will be mixing. The government themselves only decided what circumstances would need to be for mixing a few hours ago. They only decided that when dozens of experts (including their own advisors) publically said it was a bad idea to mix so they rowed back from anything goes. Apparently it hadn't occurred to them to even ask. Once again, policy by uneducated dictat. Now with political coverage by bs claims of "fact checking".

alisonkisk 6y ago
To be fair, it goes both ways. The UK gov said "if you can't get a second dose of one vaccine, get another vaccine because that's probably better than nothing, while we run studies on the effectiveness of such" and the NYT and other left wing outlets ran articles stirring up outrage, finding scientists to "slam" (modern infotainment media's favorite word for "disagree no matter how slight") the UK for "making decisions based on zero evidence", pushing the Follow the Science narrative that has sadly become more of a religion than an actual scientific method.
- LatteLazy 6y ago
  Originally they said: >Each person’s second dose must be from the same manufacturer as their first dose [1] That's from the instructions to the doctors schuding and giving the doses. That was on 30/12. On 31/12 new guidance buried in the chapter 14a of the "green book" said: >If the course is interrupted or delayed, it should be resumed using the same vaccine but the first dose should not be repeated. There is no evidence on the interchangeability of the COVID-19 vaccines although studies are underway. Therefore, every effort should be made to determine which vaccine the individual received and to complete with the same vaccine. For individuals who started the schedule and who attend for vaccination at a site where the same vaccine is not available, or if the first product received is unknown, it is reasonable to offer one dose of the locally available product to complete the schedule. This option is preferred if the individual is likely to be at immediate high risk or is considered unlikely to attend again. In these circumstances, as both the vaccines are based on the spike protein, it is likely the second dose will help to boost the response to the first dose. For this reason, until additional information becomes available, further doses would not then be required. [2] So we're still waiting for what the actual rule is. In the mean time, rather than saying "I'll get back to you" various ministers have insisted on both and a whole set of various levels in between. Including saying you can mix and match and that's A-OK! Something not supported by the links above. It it makes you feel any better, the UKs current Conservative government is probably a little to the right of Joe Biden rather than being close to the republicans. And they're vastly below his dog in terms of communication skills, competence and IQ. [1] https://www.england.nhs.uk/coronavirus/wp-content/uploads/sites/52/2020/12/C0994-System-letter-COVID-19-vaccination-deployment-planning-30-December-2020.pdf https://www.england.nhs.uk/coronavirus/wp-content/uploads/si... [2] https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/948757/Greenbook_chapter_14a_v4.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...