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Not really. I totally agree that if you have committed some kind of crime, then this could be part of overcharging you. My point is that if this is all they h

by zepto 6y ago

Not really. I totally agree that if you have committed some kind of crime, then this could be part of overcharging you. My point is that if this is all they have then they don’t have a case, so legitimate businesses don’t need to stress about about clerical errors landing them in jail.

AnthonyMouse 6y ago
> I totally agree that if you have committed some kind of crime, then this could be part of overcharging you. There is no if. Everybody is committing a crime all the time. There are laws that prohibit doing things that other laws mandate. There are more pages of laws on the books than anyone could read in a lifetime, so there is no feasible way to know that a given action isn't illegal. Businesses are engaged in risk management. They try to avoid knowingly breaking the law. Making that process consume more resources, increases compliance costs.
- zepto 6y ago
  If what you say is true, this law makes no difference, so why bother critiquing it?
  - nullc 6y ago
    The law likely will make little difference for its intended effect, but will create compliance costs. It will also needlessly lead to the disclosure of personal information from people doing nothing wrong, simply because using tax disregarded LLCs has become a widespread practice to patch around just about everything else constantly demanding your personal info and leaking it everywhere. By demanding the submission of this information, having harsh penalties for avoiding it, and providing apparently zero protection or consequences for disclosing it... that outcome is essentially guaranteed.
    - zepto 6y ago
      “become a widespread practice to patch around just about everything else constantly demanding your personal info and leaking it everywhere“ Is it? Can you give some examples of how this is used? I have never seen any reporting on this practice. What makes you think it is widespread?

by zepto 6y ago

AnthonyMouse 6y ago

> I totally agree that if you have committed some kind of crime, then this could be part of overcharging you. There is no if. Everybody is committing a crime all the time. There are laws that prohibit doing things that other laws mandate. There are more pages of laws on the books than anyone could read in a lifetime, so there is no feasible way to know that a given action isn't illegal. Businesses are engaged in risk management. They try to avoid knowingly breaking the law. Making that process consume more resources, increases compliance costs.

zepto 6y ago
If what you say is true, this law makes no difference, so why bother critiquing it?
- nullc 6y ago
  The law likely will make little difference for its intended effect, but will create compliance costs. It will also needlessly lead to the disclosure of personal information from people doing nothing wrong, simply because using tax disregarded LLCs has become a widespread practice to patch around just about everything else constantly demanding your personal info and leaking it everywhere. By demanding the submission of this information, having harsh penalties for avoiding it, and providing apparently zero protection or consequences for disclosing it... that outcome is essentially guaranteed.
  - zepto 6y ago
    “become a widespread practice to patch around just about everything else constantly demanding your personal info and leaking it everywhere“ Is it? Can you give some examples of how this is used? I have never seen any reporting on this practice. What makes you think it is widespread?