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Now I'm really intrested in which ones there are kernels of truth - FEMA death camps, hollow Earth, false-flag Sandy Hook? The problem I have with "kernel of t

Now I'm really intrested in which ones there are kernels of truth - FEMA death camps, hollow Earth, false-flag Sandy Hook? The problem I have with "kernel of truth" is that every loosely connected scandal becomes proof of conspiracy theory being "real" when in reality the shady actions are made elsewhere and no one is really intrested, or worse, conspiracy is more intresting than truth. For example, when USA spend milions of dollars during satanic panic trying to prove conspiracy theory true (and ruined innocent people lives), the Catholic church was doing it's thing freely (in my country we have hundreds of people fighting with sex-ed because it's "child abuse and LGBT indoctrination plan", when information about Church officials hiding cases of abuse is just another Monday). We have people scared to death by toothpaste and fluor in water or vaccines (another example of innocent people being in risk of harm due to conspiracies), when opium crisis and dubious antidepresants are basically ignored. I really doubt that looking for children hidden by Hilary Clinton is not going to help with finding another pedophile circle.

lend000 6y ago
Ridiculous conspiracies are a real problem, and certainly exacerbated by social media, but are not as significant as closed-mindedness, in my opinion. Not that closed-mindedness as a human trait is really a solvable problem (nor is paranoid conspiratorial thinking), but still. Closed-mindedness as a general human phenomenon holds back progress and keeps bad actors in power. It's the reason we have had more VC money invested into bike sharing companies than into aerospace, defense, chemical, and materials startups combined over the same period [0]. It's the reason Galileo had to suspend his work lest he end up facing serious punishment. It's the reason the NSA is still reading this comment. [0] https://graphics.wsj.com/venture-capital-deals/ https://graphics.wsj.com/venture-capital-deals/
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bondarchuk 6y ago
It's a valid point that when something real is uncovered, nothing is really done about it. I think that's really the same kind of powerlessness that the article gives as a motivation for "conspiratorial thinking". btw, at the risk of sounding exceedingly cranky, here's some little kernels of truth I can see if I squint at the ridiculousness we started with: - CIA is keenly interested in mind control - Globalist ideals harmed the response to COVID (e.g. by insisting on continued air traffic) - Weather modification is real (e.g. cloud seeding) - The possibility of high-energy physics experiments doing some fundamental damage to our little corner of the milky way should at least not be completely dismissed out of hand. Which nuclear bomb was it, where they calculated beforehand whether it would not set the whole atmosphere on fire? - Political influence is absolutely being exerted through universities - Don't know about sandy hook but false flags have happened and oppressive regimes have taken people's guns away before oppressing them a bit more - Can you really read the wikipedia article on "deep state" and say none of that is happening in the US? I don't think Krapp was really arguing against any of these things, but it just annoys me to no end that all you hear is "bill gates 5g vaccine nanobots" when there are legitimate issues to be discussed.
bad_extension 6y ago
I think we have different scale in mind. You see closed-minded VC capital (which I personally believe works this way due to focus on sure, short-term gain), I see amygdalin sold in pharmacies. You don't need flat Earth level of conspiracy to have victims, and bad actors can emerge from every background and attack people opened to new ideas as easily as old bad actors will still have their following.

lend000 6y ago

Ridiculous conspiracies are a real problem, and certainly exacerbated by social media, but are not as significant as closed-mindedness, in my opinion. Not that closed-mindedness as a human trait is really a solvable problem (nor is paranoid conspiratorial thinking), but still. Closed-mindedness as a general human phenomenon holds back progress and keeps bad actors in power. It's the reason we have had more VC money invested into bike sharing companies than into aerospace, defense, chemical, and materials startups combined over the same period [0]. It's the reason Galileo had to suspend his work lest he end up facing serious punishment. It's the reason the NSA is still reading this comment. [0] https://graphics.wsj.com/venture-capital-deals/ https://graphics.wsj.com/venture-capital-deals/

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bondarchuk 6y ago

It's a valid point that when something real is uncovered, nothing is really done about it. I think that's really the same kind of powerlessness that the article gives as a motivation for "conspiratorial thinking". btw, at the risk of sounding exceedingly cranky, here's some little kernels of truth I can see if I squint at the ridiculousness we started with: - CIA is keenly interested in mind control - Globalist ideals harmed the response to COVID (e.g. by insisting on continued air traffic) - Weather modification is real (e.g. cloud seeding) - The possibility of high-energy physics experiments doing some fundamental damage to our little corner of the milky way should at least not be completely dismissed out of hand. Which nuclear bomb was it, where they calculated beforehand whether it would not set the whole atmosphere on fire? - Political influence is absolutely being exerted through universities - Don't know about sandy hook but false flags have happened and oppressive regimes have taken people's guns away before oppressing them a bit more - Can you really read the wikipedia article on "deep state" and say none of that is happening in the US? I don't think Krapp was really arguing against any of these things, but it just annoys me to no end that all you hear is "bill gates 5g vaccine nanobots" when there are legitimate issues to be discussed.

bad_extension 6y ago

I think we have different scale in mind. You see closed-minded VC capital (which I personally believe works this way due to focus on sure, short-term gain), I see amygdalin sold in pharmacies. You don't need flat Earth level of conspiracy to have victims, and bad actors can emerge from every background and attack people opened to new ideas as easily as old bad actors will still have their following.