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The issue isn't lack of engineering but that the engineering in OSM is entirely on the "value add" providers, that are the companies using OSM. The OSM Foundat
by emacsen 6y ago
The issue isn't lack of engineering but that the engineering in OSM is entirely on the "value add" providers, that are the companies using OSM.
The OSM Foundation and general leadership (both official and unofficial) are people who sell these services (map rendering and geolocation) and appear blind to the need for a dedicated effort to make it better. They instead rely on work done a decade ago, proprietary work done by companies or else work done by volunteers without coordination.
Because of this, the situation persists and gets worse over time.
- j45 6y agoI’m new to this problem and appreciate the scope of the explanation.
- Doctor_Fegg 6y agoIt’s also nonsense. The chairman of the OSMF board is the retired US ambassador to Turkmenistan. That’s an interesting definition of “people who sell these services (map rendering and geolocation)“.
- dang 6y agoPlease make your points without breaking the HN guidelines. Your comment began with the sort of swipe that commenters are asked to avoid here. Your post would have been fine without that bit. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- j45 6y agoLeadership/Management/Design by committee has its pros and cons for sure.
- emacsen 6y agoAs usual, Richard, you are using a misdirection tactic. I said leadership inside and out of the OSMF, yet you are pointing out /one/ person, rather than the whole or the majority of long time leadership such as Frederick Ramm, Andy Allen, and the huge influence of MapBox, through multiple individuals. But sure, let's focus on one person.
- dang 6y agoPlease don't take HN threads further into flamewar and please don't cross into personal attack. Those are just the things we're trying to avoid here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- Doctor_Fegg 6y agoDelightful, an ad hominem.
- emacsen 6y agoYou literally said to me "Your heart is full of hate" - direct quote! You follow me around the Internet downvoting me and commenting on things I write. And yet again, misdirection, because instead of just being honest and saying "I don't like you" you go after some tiny thing like the use of rhetoric. I don't feel angry, I feel frustrated that this keeps happening and sad for you that you are unable to simply move on.
- Doctor_Fegg 6y agoDon’t flatter yourself. I’m reading an HN thread on OSM. Of course I’m commenting on it, like I do on pretty much every HN thread about OSM. If HN had a block function I’d have blocked you, just as I did elsewhere a long time ago.
- emacsen 6y ago"Don't flatter yourself that I downvote you en mass comment on everything you post" - while downvoting me and commenting. I'm sad that you see my attempt to improve OSM, as some kind of personal affront. It's genuinely sad that you feel that way- that you don't see that I want to see OSM succeed and see obstacles in its way, namely the old boy's network that underlies the project. You're an extremely talented programmer and you can be a very charming man- I'm not sure why you've chosen to engage in this little vendetta. It serves neither of us. If you want to have an actual conversation, feel free to reach out- my door is open. Otherwise, please stop with this behavior.