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I play some IF here and there and the comp is my go-to place for what to play. I'm frequently years late though. It's not a thing I think I should track in real

by zorked 6y ago

I play some IF here and there and the comp is my go-to place for what to play. I'm frequently years late though. It's not a thing I think I should track in real time. Infocom games were nice and all but modern IF is where it's at. The genre moved forward, there's better design, better stories, more interesting mechanics. Gigantic labyrinth worlds that you can't win because you missed a one-time chance to pick up bubblegum in the first area of the game isn't something that is done anymore.

hubblesticks 6y ago
I grew up playing Return to Zork and just missed the original Zorks. I couldn't get into them but really wanted to. I love the execution of IF and the stories they weave. What would be a good modern IF to jump into that isn't as punishing as the original Zorks, and not too hard for an IF newbie? Thank you!
- anthk 6y ago
  Anchorhead.
  - brox 6y ago
    For those familiar with the original 1998 version, note that a remastered and illustrated edition was released in 2018--worth a replay and a good way of supporting the author! https://store.steampowered.com/app/726870/Anchorhead/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/726870/Anchorhead/
    - 7thaccount 6y ago
      I don't use Steam, but would gladly play this on pretty much anything else.
      - brox 6y ago
        You can buy it on itch.io as well: https://www.anchorhead-game.com/purchase/ https://www.anchorhead-game.com/purchase/
        7thaccount 6y ago
        I didn't think it was on itch.io. I'll go ahead and buy it there. Thanks!
    - nicolas_t 6y ago
      I'll second the recommendation for Anchorhead. It's a great lovecraftian horror, the plot draws you in and it's hard to stop until you finish it. Beware of dead ends though so save often.
    - anthk 6y ago
      I prefer the ultraportable freeware (on any machine with a Z8 machine interpreter), but I'd gladly support the author by other means.
- II2II 6y ago
  Your best option is to browse past IF competition winners. A lot of modern IF places emphasis on story telling based upon setting or situation. Much like a book, it can be difficult to connect with a story if you cannot relate to it in some way. Here is a link to past competitions: https://ifdb.tads.org/search?browse&comp&sortby=awn https://ifdb.tads.org/search?browse&comp&sortby=awn
- dfabulich 6y ago
  For IF newbies, your best bet is probably to just pick great IF games and use hints as needed. (Prefer gradual hints over step-by-step walkthroughs.) The IF community maintains IFDB, and a list of the top 100 games. https://ifdb.tads.org/viewlist?id=k7rrytlz3wihmx2o https://ifdb.tads.org/viewlist?id=k7rrytlz3wihmx2o (It can take a full minute to load; be patient.) All of the games on the list are delightful, but a newbie can't really be expected to finish any of them without hints. Luckily, almost all of them offer gradual hints, either linked from IFDB itself or in-game with a HINT command.
- ojnabieoot 6y ago
  Lost Pig was my starting point for contemporary IF: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Pig https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Pig (and it’s probably still my favorite)
- zorked 6y ago
  Spider and Web is a very interesting game with many well-used devices and twists. Photopia leans towards the "fiction" end of "interactive fiction". It's very short and accessible.
SoSoRoCoCo 6y ago
> one-time chance to pick up bubblegum in the first area of the game isn't something that is done anymore. This is what I said in peer post a few hours ago. That's because the genre has been critically analyzed over the past 50 years. Although the "click the keyword" modern I.F. really doesn't do it for me. I prefer the open-ended interpreters. There is a doctoral thesis on this called "Twisty Little Passages". It discusses several "fundamental laws" of I.F. that were derived from the Infocom games of the 70's and 80's, such as your "bubblegum" complaint. [1] https://www.amazon.com/Twisty-Little-Passages-Approach-Interactive/dp/0262633183 https://www.amazon.com/Twisty-Little-Passages-Approach-Inter...
mherdeg 6y ago
It's a strange genre, I like it a lot but I can see why there isn't much new content. One existential problem for the genre is that you really need a physical keyboard -- while the awesome "80 Days" can get by with limited choices, anything parser-based really feels crummy on a smartphone or tablet. In principle because content generation has slowed down so much it should finally be possible to play everything good. But I don't have a good way to curate a backlog of the IF games I've been meaning to try. The way I tend to play IF is somewhere between reading a short story and toying with a puzzle, or maybe a bit of something else. I'm happy to lean on hints or walkthroughs to get through content faster. The experience is unique though I wonder if I'll ever bother to introduce it to my kids? There are absolutely standout entries in the genre, both big and small, that struck some kind of narrative chord and for which the memory of playing is very clear to me ("Vespers', "Anchorhead", "The Meteor, the Stone and a Long Glass of Sherbet", "Photopia", "Shade", "9:05", "In The End", "Christminster", "Theatre", "Curses", "Jigsaw"). It'll be a bummer if these things ever totally vanish.
- _emacsomancer_ 6y ago
  > One existential problem for the genre is that you really need a physical keyboard -- while the awesome "80 Days" can get by with limited choices, anything parser-based really feels crummy on a smartphone or tablet. Some of the mobile interpreters try to address some of the keyboard issues - with frequently used verbs &c. as composable buttons. Though given the fairly short input of traditional interactive fiction I'm not sure why it should be much more of a problem than say texting (and indeed one of the mobile interpreters even has a text-message type layout for interaction). (See Text Fiction: https://textfiction.onyxbits.de/ https://textfiction.onyxbits.de/ )
7thaccount 6y ago
Relevant username :) I fully agree that modern IF is vastly better. I have commented on related threads here before that Emily Short's work has freaking blown me away. I'll take her games over any modern 3D game any day.
- zorked 6y ago
  Emily Short is a genius.
  - 7thaccount 6y ago
    The writing is beautiful and sophisticated, yet never pretentious or long-winded. It's an absolute joy. Also, she frequently allows for many endings (ex: kill antagonist or romance antagonist) that is either rare of poorly done/simplistic in AAA titles.

by zorked 6y ago

hubblesticks 6y ago

I grew up playing Return to Zork and just missed the original Zorks. I couldn't get into them but really wanted to. I love the execution of IF and the stories they weave. What would be a good modern IF to jump into that isn't as punishing as the original Zorks, and not too hard for an IF newbie? Thank you!

anthk 6y ago
Anchorhead.
- brox 6y ago
  For those familiar with the original 1998 version, note that a remastered and illustrated edition was released in 2018--worth a replay and a good way of supporting the author! https://store.steampowered.com/app/726870/Anchorhead/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/726870/Anchorhead/
  - 7thaccount 6y ago
    I don't use Steam, but would gladly play this on pretty much anything else.
    - brox 6y ago
      You can buy it on itch.io as well: https://www.anchorhead-game.com/purchase/ https://www.anchorhead-game.com/purchase/
      - 7thaccount 6y ago
        I didn't think it was on itch.io. I'll go ahead and buy it there. Thanks!
  - nicolas_t 6y ago
    I'll second the recommendation for Anchorhead. It's a great lovecraftian horror, the plot draws you in and it's hard to stop until you finish it. Beware of dead ends though so save often.
  - anthk 6y ago
    I prefer the ultraportable freeware (on any machine with a Z8 machine interpreter), but I'd gladly support the author by other means.
II2II 6y ago
Your best option is to browse past IF competition winners. A lot of modern IF places emphasis on story telling based upon setting or situation. Much like a book, it can be difficult to connect with a story if you cannot relate to it in some way. Here is a link to past competitions: https://ifdb.tads.org/search?browse&comp&sortby=awn https://ifdb.tads.org/search?browse&comp&sortby=awn
dfabulich 6y ago
For IF newbies, your best bet is probably to just pick great IF games and use hints as needed. (Prefer gradual hints over step-by-step walkthroughs.) The IF community maintains IFDB, and a list of the top 100 games. https://ifdb.tads.org/viewlist?id=k7rrytlz3wihmx2o https://ifdb.tads.org/viewlist?id=k7rrytlz3wihmx2o (It can take a full minute to load; be patient.) All of the games on the list are delightful, but a newbie can't really be expected to finish any of them without hints. Luckily, almost all of them offer gradual hints, either linked from IFDB itself or in-game with a HINT command.
ojnabieoot 6y ago
Lost Pig was my starting point for contemporary IF: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Pig https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Pig (and it’s probably still my favorite)
zorked 6y ago
Spider and Web is a very interesting game with many well-used devices and twists. Photopia leans towards the "fiction" end of "interactive fiction". It's very short and accessible.

SoSoRoCoCo 6y ago

> one-time chance to pick up bubblegum in the first area of the game isn't something that is done anymore. This is what I said in peer post a few hours ago. That's because the genre has been critically analyzed over the past 50 years. Although the "click the keyword" modern I.F. really doesn't do it for me. I prefer the open-ended interpreters. There is a doctoral thesis on this called "Twisty Little Passages". It discusses several "fundamental laws" of I.F. that were derived from the Infocom games of the 70's and 80's, such as your "bubblegum" complaint. [1] https://www.amazon.com/Twisty-Little-Passages-Approach-Interactive/dp/0262633183 https://www.amazon.com/Twisty-Little-Passages-Approach-Inter...

mherdeg 6y ago

It's a strange genre, I like it a lot but I can see why there isn't much new content. One existential problem for the genre is that you really need a physical keyboard -- while the awesome "80 Days" can get by with limited choices, anything parser-based really feels crummy on a smartphone or tablet. In principle because content generation has slowed down so much it should finally be possible to play everything good. But I don't have a good way to curate a backlog of the IF games I've been meaning to try. The way I tend to play IF is somewhere between reading a short story and toying with a puzzle, or maybe a bit of something else. I'm happy to lean on hints or walkthroughs to get through content faster. The experience is unique though I wonder if I'll ever bother to introduce it to my kids? There are absolutely standout entries in the genre, both big and small, that struck some kind of narrative chord and for which the memory of playing is very clear to me ("Vespers', "Anchorhead", "The Meteor, the Stone and a Long Glass of Sherbet", "Photopia", "Shade", "9:05", "In The End", "Christminster", "Theatre", "Curses", "Jigsaw"). It'll be a bummer if these things ever totally vanish.

_emacsomancer_ 6y ago
> One existential problem for the genre is that you really need a physical keyboard -- while the awesome "80 Days" can get by with limited choices, anything parser-based really feels crummy on a smartphone or tablet. Some of the mobile interpreters try to address some of the keyboard issues - with frequently used verbs &c. as composable buttons. Though given the fairly short input of traditional interactive fiction I'm not sure why it should be much more of a problem than say texting (and indeed one of the mobile interpreters even has a text-message type layout for interaction). (See Text Fiction: https://textfiction.onyxbits.de/ https://textfiction.onyxbits.de/ )

7thaccount 6y ago

Relevant username :) I fully agree that modern IF is vastly better. I have commented on related threads here before that Emily Short's work has freaking blown me away. I'll take her games over any modern 3D game any day.

zorked 6y ago
Emily Short is a genius.
- 7thaccount 6y ago
  The writing is beautiful and sophisticated, yet never pretentious or long-winded. It's an absolute joy. Also, she frequently allows for many endings (ex: kill antagonist or romance antagonist) that is either rare of poorly done/simplistic in AAA titles.