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this have not been true at any point or place in history. The idea that professionals are more liberal formed one of the arguments in the book "The End of Hist

• cambalache 6y ago
  In LATAM(the place I know the best) middle class people tend to be center-right by a big margin compared to working class people. In the US things like NIMBY are in essence a conservative position taken by the middle/upper-middle class. The same happen with the school they choose for their kids, the self-segregated gated communities they live, the companies they work for and the closed social circles they frequent. They CLAIM they are progressive. But supporting your also-white-upper-middle-class-professional gay colleague is a far cry from the things that leftism are really concerned about, like income inequality,gentrification,environmental destruction, third-world labor exploitation,imperialism. On these topics your liberal FAANG friends at best do nothing about it and at worst they are the cogs supporting the oppression machine.
  • pasabagi 6y ago
    I think the traditional meaning of the word liberal refers to something close to the opinions of The Economist. Socially liberal, economically liberal, and typically moderately imperialist (usually for paternalistic moral reasons). So there's not really much overlap between liberals and the left - it's only the case in America, where the left is really emaciated, where liberalism and leftism become conflated.
  • im3w1l 6y ago
    You are making contradictory criticisms. I could point out where the contradiction lies, but I think doing that may not be the best way, because it would be too superficial: You would just resolve the contradiction one way or the other and be on your way. I think if you looked for it yourself it would be a better exercise and may cause to wonder how and why it arose and expose underlying biases in your thought process. But if you are really stuck I will point it out. Or if you know what I'm thinking of, and think it's not a contradiction feel free say so then I guess.
    • cambalache 6y ago
      " I think you are wrong, but I wont tell you why because otherwise you could refute me" There, your paragraph in fewer words.
      • im3w1l 6y ago
        The contradiction is in being against both self-segragation and gentrification.
        • cambalache 6y ago
          Do you realize that those 2 are basically the same thing, right? High income people creating a cost barrier to low income people to live isolated from them. Nobody complains about gentrification because some hipsters moved to neighborhood, or even because they opened one of those atrocious coffee shops. The main complain is that the, intended or not, result is that low-income people, the people more at risk in the country are thus driven away from historical neighborhoods and pushed more and more to the margins (both literal and figurative) of society. BTW, some ironic thing I've noticed is that many people will retort with "Well, that's how the economy works, supply and demand and all of that, besides, the original owners of the properties will make bank", but when the same dynamics is done to them by rich foreigners buying houses in western cities and driving the prices to the sky they scream murder.
  • manfredo 6y ago
    Tech company employee donations are overwhelmingly democrat: https://www.newsweek.com/big-tech-employees-donate-overwhelmingly-2020-democrats-1515430 https://www.newsweek.com/big-tech-employees-donate-overwhelm... They are indeed putting their money where their mouth is, at least as far as political donations go. The notion that tech workers are not substantially more liberal than average contradicts both my first-hand experience and the available data. This isn't surprising, or evidence of some anti-conservative agenda, since tech workers often exist at the confluence of both geographic distributions and educational backgrounds (usually bachelor's degree or more) that are more liberal than average. But still, I'm really curious as to how you justify the claims you're making in this comment.
    • dunce2020 6y ago
      Tech company employee donations are overwhelmingly democrat A center-right party.
      • manfredo 6y ago
        If you (and the above commenter) do believe that democrats are a center right party then sure, the claim that most tech workers aren't liberal holds water. But that is a very non-standard delineation of political leanings, and making claims based on said boundaries will understandably generate friction with the overwhelming majority that recognize Democrats as a liberal party. In other words, the claim that tech workers are not liberal says a lot more about the perspective of the person making the claim than it does about tech workers. Tech workers are much more liberal than the general population. How many would qualify as liberal under this political delineation? Probably a single digit percentage.
        • Bakary 6y ago
          It's more accurate to see the Democratic party as a center-right party fighting with a smaller emerging center-left party within it. The Sanders platform for instance would have been completely run of the mill in Europe, but it's considered extreme compared to the traditional Democratic proposals. Your typical tech worker will tend to be neoliberal, espousing socially liberal values but having much to lose economically and practically from touching the existing power balance or decreasing inequality in any meaningful way. The highest paid tech workers will tend to work for FAANGs that increase global inequality or at least contribute to entrenched interests.
• sudosysgen 6y ago
  What exactly do you mean by liberal? This is a word that can have a great many definitions.
• Gibbon1 6y ago
  > The End of History About the time that book was written a friend working in finance said at a party, now that the war on communism is won the war against the middle and working class is on. To bad the suckers won't realize until it's too late.